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Re: Chess set for 13 year old prodigy
Reply #11 - 12/01/18 at 06:10:38
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 12/01/18 at 05:13:11:
It's so hard to give concrete advice, because it's all a question of taste and budget. But I will give my experience and you can maybe get some ideas. When I was 15 yo, my sister gifted a set and board -- a Lardy set from the Nice 1974 Olympics, and a handmade chess table. I loved the set and still have it. I did not love the table, partly because the squares were too small for the set, and partly because it was too awkward to use. It's a shame, because I suspect she actually spent more on the board than on the set. When I used the set, whether at home or in tournaments, I simply used a rollup board. Later I preferred a plastic set for tournaments, because I didn't have to worry about theft, or losing a pawn. I'm pretty sure I never, ever played a blitz game with the Lardy set.

I'll get a set that includes the pieces, the board, and a storage box. That way I can be assured that they all go together.

I'm not going to get one of the larger sets (19"-20" on a side). This is for his bedroom, so not all that much space.

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Wooden sets used to be rare at tournaments. I remember a couple of ex-Russians who had beat-up pieces in what I assumed was a traditional Russian style. I rather liked using those sets. They also went with rollup boards. And there was one club player who carried an immense wooden board in a felt bag, to go with his expensive set in a padded wooden case. It took him a good five minutes to get set up for a game. His set never made any impression on me, but I am sure he was happy with it.

I've asked his dad whether wood or plastic would be more appropriate for this kid, but I think I'll go with a wooden set unless his dad specifically wants plastic.

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Re: Chess set for 13 year old prodigy
Reply #10 - 12/01/18 at 06:00:02
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dfan wrote on 12/01/18 at 02:07:38:
Those are all just slightly different designs of the pieces. You can see them a little bit more side by side at (link blocked). It's really just a matter of taste. For example, I like the French Lardy more than the Fierce Knight, but that's just because I'm more used to its proportions (the pieces are a bit stockier). They're all perfectly reasonable. The German Knight set has less detail, and that shows in the price, but that may actually be a good thing for a starter wood set.

A typical full-size tournament board will have squares that are 2 to 2.25 inches wide, which probably means a king height of 3.5 inches or more. Of course there is nothing wrong with smaller sets, but they will feel more like something to analyze with than something to go to battle with. But even a smaller wood set and board feels special compared to vinyl and plastic.

As CanadianClub said, it's probably a good idea to get a combo like this so you know for sure that all the sizes match.

Thanks for that information.

I think I will go with one of the German Knight Staunton sets at The Chess Store. One has black pieces and one has brown. Personally, I prefer the look of the brown pieces, but are the black more traditional?
  
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Re: Chess set for 13 year old prodigy
Reply #9 - 12/01/18 at 05:35:09
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As for USA based websites, you should compare prices at uscfsales.com. I'm not sure you will get a better deal, but you might, because USCF members are supposed to get a discount, and they currently have an additional 15% sale. The sale ends Sunday night. If he is a member you could use his discount. If he is not a member then it is $22 for one year "Regular Youth" (sign up at uschess.org), and you could include that cost in your comparison.
  
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Re: Chess set for 13 year old prodigy
Reply #8 - 12/01/18 at 05:13:11
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It's so hard to give concrete advice, because it's all a question of taste and budget. But I will give my experience and you can maybe get some ideas. When I was 15 yo, my sister gifted a set and board -- a Lardy set from the Nice 1974 Olympics, and a handmade chess table. I loved the set and still have it. I did not love the table, partly because the squares were too small for the set, and partly because it was too awkward to use. It's a shame, because I suspect she actually spent more on the board than on the set. When I used the set, whether at home or in tournaments, I simply used a rollup board. Later I preferred a plastic set for tournaments, because I didn't have to worry about theft, or losing a pawn. I'm pretty sure I never, ever played a blitz game with the Lardy set.

Wooden sets used to be rare at tournaments. I remember a couple of ex-Russians who had beat-up pieces in what I assumed was a traditional Russian style. I rather liked using those sets. They also went with rollup boards. And there was one club player who carried an immense wooden board in a felt bag, to go with his expensive set in a padded wooden case. It took him a good five minutes to get set up for a game. His set never made any impression on me, but I am sure he was happy with it.

P.S. The Preview button is an arrow on the far left, just below the post header.

P.P.S. Mark and Quote is for quoting only a portion of a post. But for me it only works on the desktop. On mobile I use Quote, then delete the unwanted parts.
  
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Re: Chess set for 13 year old prodigy
Reply #7 - 12/01/18 at 04:19:45
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The crenelations on the queen's crown, details of the knight, and the tops of the bishops can chip with vigorous use, as in speed chess with chess clocks. If your son will be playing fast or rambunctiously with friends, the French and German designs are less delicate physically than the Fierce Knight design. Normal slow play is fine for the fierce knight.

I would emphasize the size issue. To be taken seriously by kids used to chess at school, a 3.5 to 4.25 inch height is needed. But then the square size should be 2 to 2.25 inches, making the whole board about 20 inches wide. Look at square size, not board size.

If you scroll down in the detailed piece descriptions, you can see the king's base diameter. This should be about 75% of the square size, as described here:

https://www.chessusa.com/chess-pieces-size.html

The rest is taste--pick something you like. Most international grandmaster tournaments since 1985 have used German knights; most American schools use French knights; great classic tournaments of 1850-1950, and certain new American ones, use the fierce knight (or the even more beautiful Exclusive Saunton design), both of which one might call British knights).

Some players like brown pieces for the Black side and some players like actual black pieces--choose a wood you like. I myself like black (=ebonized).
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Re: Chess set for 13 year old prodigy
Reply #6 - 12/01/18 at 02:07:38
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Those are all just slightly different designs of the pieces. You can see them a little bit more side by side at https://thechessstore.com/staunton-wood-chess-pieces/. It's really just a matter of taste. For example, I like the French Lardy more than the Fierce Knight, but that's just because I'm more used to its proportions (the pieces are a bit stockier). They're all perfectly reasonable. The German Knight set has less detail, and that shows in the price, but that may actually be a good thing for a starter wood set.

A typical full-size tournament board will have squares that are 2 to 2.25 inches wide, which probably means a king height of 3.5 inches or more. Of course there is nothing wrong with smaller sets, but they will feel more like something to analyze with than something to go to battle with. But even a smaller wood set and board feels special compared to vinyl and plastic.

As CanadianClub said, it's probably a good idea to get a combo like this so you know for sure that all the sizes match.
  
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Re: Chess set for 13 year old prodigy
Reply #5 - 12/01/18 at 01:21:52
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I found this company, The Chess Store, that has about 50 sets that all look pretty much the same to me except for size. They range in price from $135 to $280. All come with pieces, board, and storage box. They won't let me post a link, so I'll try to disguise it:

https: // thechessstore . com/wood-chess-sets-w-board-box/

What's the difference between German Knight, French Lardy, Fierce Knight, Deluze Old Club, & Parker Staunton?

The kings range from 2.75" to 3.75" and the boards from 14x14 to 19x19. I'm thinking that for a kid who will probably keep the set in his bedroom, a 14x14 board would be better. No?

  
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Re: Chess set for 13 year old prodigy
Reply #4 - 12/01/18 at 01:02:59
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CanadianClub wrote on 11/26/18 at 15:34:15:

To Mrs Moore, I would say that if she does not know too much about sizes of boards and king sizes... maybe it's better to buy a set that has both things sold together

Good idea

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And the more excentric the pieces are the less attractive to a chess player. To really play with the pieces & board, important to see the word "Staunton" in the pieces. Extrange looking pieces are OK for a museum, but to study a game... not really. I say this because I know someone who was gift with a baroque chessmen set and he had to return back to the store to get a "normal" staunton set.

That's good to know. I had been looking at some "theme" sets like one Happy Potter set. He is a 13 year old kid. But standard is still probably better. He won't be a kid for long.

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PD: A wooden chess set is always a good gift to a chess player Smiley

Great. I like that better than plastic.

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Re: Chess set for 13 year old prodigy
Reply #3 - 12/01/18 at 00:54:13
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tipau wrote on 11/26/18 at 14:36:17:
Hi - there are a number of online chess retailers you could check out. I usually look at Chess Direct and/or the Chess and Bridge websites. If your Grandson currently only has travel sets it may be that a tournament standard plastic set would be a good choice. If you'd like to buy something very nice then there'll be a good choice of wooden boards and pieces too.

Earlier this year I bought myself these, to replace an older set I'd been using for many years. It may be too much in this case (£165 before postage, so already $200), but I'm very happy with my purchases:

Thanks for those links. They look very nice.

Is it important to have a box for the pieces? I see some sets that have space (drawers?) under the board to store the pieces.

Is there a company stateside (US)? I'm concerned about shipping time from the UK. I already missed his birthday. Sad
  
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Re: Chess set for 13 year old prodigy
Reply #2 - 11/26/18 at 15:34:15
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tipau wrote on 11/26/18 at 14:36:17:
Hi - there are a number of online chess retailers you could check out. I usually look at Chess Direct and/or the Chess and Bridge websites. If your Grandson currently only has travel sets it may be that a tournament standard plastic set would be a good choice. If you'd like to buy something very nice then there'll be a good choice of wooden boards and pieces too.

Earlier this year I bought myself these, to replace an older set I'd been using for many years. It may be too much in this case (£165 before postage, so already $200), but I'm very happy with my purchases:

Set (and box) - https://www.chessdirect.co.uk/acatalog/Sheshamwood-Staunton-Pieces-In-Chest-WSBS...

Board - https://www.notonthehighstreet.com/ubergames/product/premium-sheesham-wood-chess...


It's beautiful, tipau. The board with rounded corners is awesome.

To Mrs Moore, I would say that if she does not know too much about sizes of boards and king sizes... maybe it's better to buy a set that has both things sold together, like:

https://www.wholesalechess.com/shop/chess-sets/wood-chess-sets/american-staunton...

And the more excentric the pieces are the less attractive to a chess player. To really play with the pieces & board, important to see the word "Staunton" in the pieces. Extrange looking pieces are OK for a museum, but to study a game... not really. I say this because I know someone who was gift with a baroque chessmen set and he had to return back to the store to get a "normal" staunton set.

PD: A wooden chess set is always a good gift to a chess player Smiley
  
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Re: Chess set for 13 year old prodigy
Reply #1 - 11/26/18 at 14:36:17
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Hi - there are a number of online chess retailers you could check out. I usually look at Chess Direct and/or the Chess and Bridge websites. If your Grandson currently only has travel sets it may be that a tournament standard plastic set would be a good choice. If you'd like to buy something very nice then there'll be a good choice of wooden boards and pieces too.

Earlier this year I bought myself these, to replace an older set I'd been using for many years. It may be too much in this case (£165 before postage, so already $200), but I'm very happy with my purchases:

Set (and box) - https://www.chessdirect.co.uk/acatalog/Sheshamwood-Staunton-Pieces-In-Chest-WSBS...

Board - https://www.notonthehighstreet.com/ubergames/product/premium-sheesham-wood-chess...
  

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Chess set for 13 year old prodigy
11/26/18 at 10:44:52
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My grandson who is something of a chess prodigy is about to turn 13. His dad says that he would like a nice chess set for his room. He has several portable or traveling sets, but this would be something nicer.

Can anyone recommend a set or a source? I'd be willing to spend at least $100 and maybe as much as $200.

He's a good kid, but he's a 13 year old boy, so not the most careful human. The set doesn't need to industrial strength, but it shouldn't be fragile.  Smiley

Thanks for any help.
  
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