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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #69 - 07/02/19 at 22:01:04
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gillbod wrote on 07/02/19 at 21:52:02:
I picked up the Forward Chess version.

It's more or less what I was expecting from reading the preview.

Quick points:

1) The KID and Nimzo chapters are to a large part recycled from previous Moskalenko work. Perhaps some new stuff has been added. There is certainly some material that has been cut compared to Revolutionize your Chess. 

2)  As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, it's not a repertoire book. E.g. gaps in coverage against the Dutch, what do do against 1...e6 1...g6 and 1...d6. It's certainly a foundation for a repertoire. Perhaps mainly useful for existing white d4 players looking to broaden their horizons.

3) Furthermore from 2, there are often several options given within each line. E.g. both the Saemisch (with classical e3 set ups) and f3 in the Nimzo. Against the Grunfeld, 5.Bd2 is the recommendation, but Moskalenko gives multiple plans for white, e.g. after 5...Nb6 6.Nf3, 6.Bf4, 6.Bg5, are covered. As well as 6.e3 followed by 7.Nf3 or 7.f4.

Against the Queens Gambit Accepted, again several options for white are given e.g. 1.d4 d5 2.c4 cxd4 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e3 e6 5.Bxc4 c5 6.0-0 a6 and now 7.Bd3, 7.b3, 7.Bb3, 7.a4 get a game of analysis each. Also 3.e3 Nf6 4.Bxc4 a6 5.Qe2 is given a game.

4) I can imagine that some buyers might not count the recommendations against the Slav (exchange) and the Semi Slav Triangle (Marshall Gambit, but with 6.Nc3 like Carlsen-Anand 2013 World Championship match) as aggressive. Particularly in the Triangle where finding sharp stuff is easier than finding quiet stuff! That he didn't choose to do so is perfectly fine by me, but it might not be to everyone's taste.

As an aside, the repertoire complements the old Keene + Jacob's Opening Repertoire for White very nicely. E.g. similar structures in the Nimzo, but different move orders (so the white player could choose between 4.a3 4.f3 and 4.e3). Benoni Flick Knife is covered, but with different plans. King side hacks against the KID where possible, but with queenside play likely if Black knows their theory. Gruenfeld plans which avoid the standard c3 d4 e4 pawn centre. Exchange Slav, but one with an early Nf3 and the other without. It's quite nice as a combination: thematic overlap, but different lines.

Other lines that I haven't mentioned above: Qc2 against the Benko. f3 exchange plans against he QGD (I've not looked at these chapters yet, only eyeballed them).

Some might not like that this is not a complete repertoire, and that it opts for some breadth of analysis over depth. But I will find some material in here to incorporate into my own play, so I'm happy.


Thank you so much gillbod. Well, I know a few "complete repertoires" who give just a few superficial lines against some defences, just to say "OK, we covered that", and although I would have liked this book to be a complete repertoire, I appreciate the Author's honesty in completely omitting what he hasn't covered. This said, I am really curious about this book.

  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #68 - 07/02/19 at 21:52:02
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I picked up the Forward Chess version.

It's more or less what I was expecting from reading the preview.

Quick points:

1) The KID and Nimzo chapters are to a large part recycled from previous Moskalenko work. Perhaps some new stuff has been added. There is certainly some material that has been cut compared to Revolutionize your Chess. 

2)  As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, it's not a repertoire book. E.g. gaps in coverage against the Dutch, what do do against 1...e6 1...g6 and 1...d6. It's certainly a foundation for a repertoire. Perhaps mainly useful for existing white d4 players looking to broaden their horizons.

3) Furthermore from 2, there are often several options given within each line. E.g. both the Saemisch (with classical e3 set ups) and f3 in the Nimzo. Against the Grunfeld, 5.Bd2 is the recommendation, but Moskalenko gives multiple plans for white, e.g. after 5...Nb6 6.Nf3, 6.Bf4, 6.Bg5, are covered. As well as 6.e3 followed by 7.Nf3 or 7.f4.

Against the Queens Gambit Accepted, again several options for white are given e.g. 1.d4 d5 2.c4 cxd4 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e3 e6 5.Bxc4 c5 6.0-0 a6 and now 7.Bd3, 7.b3, 7.Bb3, 7.a4 get a game of analysis each. Also 3.e3 Nf6 4.Bxc4 a6 5.Qe2 is given a game.

4) I can imagine that some buyers might not count the recommendations against the Slav (exchange) and the Semi Slav Triangle (Marshall Gambit, but with 6.Nc3 like Carlsen-Anand 2013 World Championship match) as aggressive. Particularly in the Triangle where finding sharp stuff is easier than finding quiet stuff! That he didn't choose to do so is perfectly fine by me, but it might not be to everyone's taste.

As an aside, the repertoire complements the old Keene + Jacob's Opening Repertoire for White very nicely. E.g. similar structures in the Nimzo, but different move orders (so the white player could choose between 4.a3 4.f3 and 4.e3). Benoni Flick Knife is covered, but with different plans. King side hacks against the KID where possible, but with queenside play likely if Black knows their theory. Gruenfeld plans which avoid the standard c3 d4 e4 pawn centre. Exchange Slav, but one with an early Nf3 and the other without. It's quite nice as a combination: thematic overlap, but different lines.

Other lines that I haven't mentioned above: Qc2 against the Benko. f3 exchange plans against he QGD (I've not looked at these chapters yet, only eyeballed them).

Some might not like that this is not a complete repertoire, and that it opts for some breadth of analysis over depth. But I will find some material in here to incorporate into my own play, so I'm happy.
  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #67 - 07/02/19 at 20:54:12
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grandpatzer wrote on 07/02/19 at 19:05:47:

From an email I got from New in Chess, the line vs. the Grunfeld is the early Bd2 line, and the Botvinnik plan of f3-e4 in the Exchange QGD


Thanks grandpatzer...

5 Bd2 used to be popular when I was in my teens and that was a good few years ago!
  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #66 - 07/02/19 at 19:05:47
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Dink Heckler wrote on 07/02/19 at 10:25:47:
Moskalenko's choice of the Exchange Slav in an ostensibly 'go for the throat' repertoire certainly raises some eyebrows. Stylistic consistency is a bit over-rated, but nevertheless, this choice does stand out a bit.


Perhaps is the "early Bf4", without Nf3, Exchange Slav? 
From an email I got from New in Chess, the line vs. the Grunfeld is the early Bd2 line, and the Botvinnik plan of f3-e4 in the Exchange QGD.
  
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Moskalenko's choice of the Exchange Slav in an ostensibly 'go for the throat' repertoire certainly raises some eyebrows. Stylistic consistency is a bit over-rated, but nevertheless, this choice does stand out a bit.
  

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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #64 - 06/28/19 at 21:08:41
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MW wrote on 06/28/19 at 19:22:15:


Would be interested to know what he is recommending against the Grunfeld and whether he prefers short or long castling in the QGD exchange variation?

   


Sure, anything that can be shared with Author’s and Publisher’s consent would be appreciated. I plan to buy the book, so some sort of preview would be great for me.
  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #63 - 06/28/19 at 19:22:15
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grandpatzer wrote on 06/28/19 at 14:47:49:
Now Moskalenko's book is available, too, from New In Chess, and very soon other sellers, I suppose. If you have it, a short review would be appreciated


Would be interested to know what he is recommending against the Grunfeld and whether he prefers short or long castling in the QGD exchange variation?

  
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Now Moskalenko's book is available, too, from New In Chess, and very soon other sellers, I suppose. If you have it, a short review would be appreciated.
  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #61 - 06/27/19 at 10:54:31
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Stigma wrote on 06/26/19 at 03:21:13:
Paddy wrote on 06/25/19 at 10:06:40:


If I buy it on the FC website at the attractively discounted price, it's then not clear to me how I can view it in the app on my IPad.

Any clues, anyone? Thanks in advance.

I have only used the Android app, but if we assume the iPad app is very similar:

- Make sure you have the same account connected to the website and the app, using the 'Forward Chess Cloud' system (that I don't actually remember how to set up, but you only do it once and I believe it's explained on the FC website)

- Buy a book on the website

- Go to the 'Store' tab in the app on your iPad

- Press 'View Complete List' or the button for the publisher of the specific book. You should see a button with 'Buy' or the price next to each book

- For books you have purchased, the button should say 'Download' instead of the price. Press it, and you have the book.


Many thanks - I'll give it a try later this week - playing in a tournament at the moment!
  
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Reply #60 - 06/26/19 at 03:21:13
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Paddy wrote on 06/25/19 at 10:06:40:


If I buy it on the FC website at the attractively discounted price, it's then not clear to me how I can view it in the app on my IPad.

Any clues, anyone? Thanks in advance.

I have only used the Android app, but if we assume the iPad app is very similar:

- Make sure you have the same account connected to the website and the app, using the 'Forward Chess Cloud' system (that I don't actually remember how to set up, but you only do it once and I believe it's explained on the FC website)

- Buy a book on the website

- Go to the 'Store' tab in the app on your iPad

- Press 'View Complete List' or the button for the publisher of the specific book. You should see a button with 'Buy' or the price next to each book

- For books you have purchased, the button should say 'Download' instead of the price. Press it, and you have the book.
  

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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #59 - 06/25/19 at 10:06:40
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Stigma wrote on 06/23/19 at 21:59:13:
Paddy wrote on 06/23/19 at 19:08:02:

If I buy it at a discount at the Forward Chess website, will it show up in the app on my Ipad? 

Seems daft otherwise!


Yes, I believe the point of buying from the website instead of from within an app is site buys are platform-independent - once you've purchased them there you can download them to iOS apps, Android apps and a Windows PC program. Though there's a limit on total number of devices you can have a book on. Four maybe?

Everything I've bought directly from the site I have in both Windows and on my Android phone (no iPhones or iPads here yet). While everything I bought directly in the Android app before they came up with this solution is apparently locked into Android-only forever.

For me the prices I get on the website are also a bit lower than in the Android app, not due to the introductory discounts but for all prices. I don't know if it's that way for everybody, I wouldn't be surprised if there are differences between countries here. But for me bying FC books via the website is a no-brainer really.


If I buy it on the FC website at the attractively discounted price, it's then not clear to me how I can view it in the app on my IPad.

Any clues, anyone? Thanks in advance.
  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #58 - 06/23/19 at 22:24:33
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Anyone who's familiar with Moskalenko's writings knows the Four pawns' attack is "his" King's Indian weapon, and especially the dxe6 lines when Black goes for ...c5 and ...e6. So it's not a huge surprise that he sticks to his guns.

Though I actually had the impression they had been pretty much defanged since he covered them in Revolutionize Your Chess (2009). Does he have improments that make them viable again? Or has he finally swtched to Four Pawns' Attack main lines? I realize my curiosity will force me to buy this book...

Searching a not-very-up-to-date database, the most recent game I find with Moskalenko playing "his" 4PA against the KID is from 2013. But he seems to throw in lots of different White openings these days - everything from Tromps and Londons to 1.c4 and 1.e4 in addition to his trademark sharp 1.d4 lines. I don't know if he's always done that or he felt a need to be less predictable after he started publishing his opening ideas in popular books.
  

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Reply #57 - 06/23/19 at 21:59:13
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Paddy wrote on 06/23/19 at 19:08:02:

If I buy it at a discount at the Forward Chess website, will it show up in the app on my Ipad? 

Seems daft otherwise!


Yes, I believe the point of buying from the website instead of from within an app is site buys are platform-independent - once you've purchased them there you can download them to iOS apps, Android apps and a Windows PC program. Though there's a limit on total number of devices you can have a book on. Four maybe?

Everything I've bought directly from the site I have in both Windows and on my Android phone (no iPhones or iPads here yet). While everything I bought directly in the Android app before they came up with this solution is apparently locked into Android-only forever.

For me the prices I get on the website are also a bit lower than in the Android app, not due to the introductory discounts but for all prices. I don't know if it's that way for everybody, I wouldn't be surprised if there are differences between countries here. But for me bying FC books via the website is a no-brainer really.
  

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Reply #56 - 06/23/19 at 19:08:02
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Glenn Snow wrote on 06/23/19 at 16:32:31:
gillbod wrote on 06/23/19 at 11:40:53:
Apparently it’s available via forward chess? Not through the app,  it’s shown as available on the forward chess website.

Personally, I see the four pawns as a good weapon. Both sides are required to know some stuff, so familiarity and experience matters a lot. I think white can expect to face the KID more often than black KID players face the 4 pawns. Especially Moskalenko’s version (at least the one from his earlier book) where he avoids the standard Benoni structures.


Yes, definitely available at forward chess and at a discounted price. 


If I buy it at a discount at the Forward Chess website, will it show up in the app on my Ipad? 

Seems daft otherwise!

  
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Re: Two new 1 d4 2 c4 Repertoires
Reply #55 - 06/23/19 at 16:32:31
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gillbod wrote on 06/23/19 at 11:40:53:
Apparently it’s available via forward chess? Not through the app,  it’s shown as available on the forward chess website.

Personally, I see the four pawns as a good weapon. Both sides are required to know some stuff, so familiarity and experience matters a lot. I think white can expect to face the KID more often than black KID players face the 4 pawns. Especially Moskalenko’s version (at least the one from his earlier book) where he avoids the standard Benoni structures.


Yes, definitely available at forward chess and at a discounted price.
  
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