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Re: No fairplay in online chess?
Reply #13 - 10/08/19 at 06:31:27
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 10/07/19 at 14:25:07:
I decided to play some blitz games anonymously online the other day, mostly against very weak players, and I was surprised that almost none of them resigned - at least two thirds just let their time run out rather than resign! Is this normal?

When I play online rated games then I like to be able to fully focus on the games. However sometimes I know in advance that very likely I will be disturbed multiple times during play and then I decide to play unrated games as an anonymous guest if I am really eager to play anyway. 
However standards are much lower in those unrated anonymous games. You get much weaker players but also the behavior of the opponents is like you say in 2/3 inappropriate. It happens that it takes 10 opponents before I get the first serious player not letting his time running out. Generally I try to avoid such sessions.
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Re: No fairplay in online chess?
Reply #12 - 10/08/19 at 02:14:01
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I think that this is because games are not broadcast live at that level. If there is a livestream, or even if there is talk about a certain player doing idiotic things like that, their reputation would probably be ruined when it gets publicised.

trw wrote on 10/08/19 at 01:37:24:
Where are these people getting this behavior? Surely coaches are not actively teaching their students to be this rude?


Well if those players who let their flag fall go on to become coaches when they get older, maybe.

I remember as a teenager I had an acquaintance who when completely lost would not only let his time go down, but would also offer draws every single move in his lost position. I once asked him, "What the hell is wrong with you, why do you do this to your opponents," and he responded, "Well, it is legal to do so..."
  
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Re: No fairplay in online chess?
Reply #11 - 10/08/19 at 01:37:24
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I have to say it is not even a matter of online anymore... I often remark that I have noticed more and more of this poor behavior in otb chess. I saw a 1900 10 year old girl play out R+K vs K+R+7 against a 2350. I just had to shake my head as she let her last remaining seconds run out rather than resign or allow mate in 1.

I had a similar experience against a 13 year old girl 2000 at the World Open... she was down a full piece about 20 minutes into the game... Now she managed to think 20-30 minutes every move from this point on... also arriving at her final seconds to flag instead of allowing mate in 1 or resigning.

Where are these people getting this behavior? Surely coaches are not actively teaching their students to be this rude?
  
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Re: No fairplay in online chess?
Reply #10 - 10/08/19 at 00:12:42
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This is not the first post where I have tried to impute rational behavior when maybe there was none. I make this mistake in real life as well.
  
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Re: No fairplay in online chess?
Reply #9 - 10/07/19 at 23:40:21
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 10/07/19 at 20:07:10:
Maybe they let their time run out in case your connection dropped instead.

I honestly don't think this is a behaviour with any rational basis, nor do I think it gives the perpetrator any particular pleasure, as Tony conjectures. My opinion is that it's a simple knee-jerk act of revenge: you've humiliated them by beating them at chess, so they get their own back in the only way available to them, by wasting your time making you sit there while the clock runs down. Actually, I've even seen it happen once in OTB chess. Some years ago, the opponent of one of my teammates in the 4NCL (the UK national league) simply left the playing hall and didn't bother returning once he realised his position was hopeless.
  
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Re: No fairplay in online chess?
Reply #8 - 10/07/19 at 21:43:34
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On lichess.com there are some topics about this. As I reduced my chess there to rapid games it happens less often and you can claim a win after two minutes.

As I am used to make me a cup of tea I can use this time. If the tea is ready and this happens I check my emails and mark where to answer. Bad zen.
  

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Re: No fairplay in online chess?
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Sounds like, by that point in the game, if they kept moving they would be mated shortly. Maybe they let their time run out in case your connection dropped instead. Why resign when there are so many ways to not lose? I don't really know; I don't play online at all, too many negative reports.
  
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Re: No fairplay in online chess?
Reply #6 - 10/07/19 at 19:35:32
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Only one opponent actually tried to 'flag' me, against the others I would mostly win lots of bits fairly quickly (in less than one minute), and then they would simply let their time run out. Do they get some sort of pleasure out of this? Undecided
Yes, I guess I should register, get my rating up and then play better players who know when to resign (?!)
  
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Re: No fairplay in online chess?
Reply #5 - 10/07/19 at 19:27:07
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Anonymity + ELO + Country Flag = close to a perfect storm for all sorts of anti-socialiability.

Although, when I want to see the best in people, I assume that they only played their chess online and aren't aware of general chess etiquette.
  
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Re: No fairplay in online chess?
Reply #4 - 10/07/19 at 19:12:43
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It's very normal, Tony.  I've easily dropped 100 rating points in a day when I don't feel like blitzing out finishes, and everyone insists on flagging me when down multiple pieces, etc.  It happens all the time if I play on my mobile phone (far slower to move than with a mouse), or when I have a poor and laggy internet connection. 

Funnily enough, I think that it happens more when I play with my main account on chess.com, because it says "NM" (for National Master), and people want to beat a "titled" player.  Sometimes, people will even trash talk when they're able to achieve a draw when I can't mate in time against a lone king, for instance.  It's really a cesspool, mostly.   

I sometimes play unrated games because of this, and they seem a little more sporting.  Mostly I've been avoiding online blitz play these days, because it just puts me in a bad mood when I lose due to a poor connection, etc., which happens all the time when I play on my work's WiFi at lunch time, for instance.
  
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Re: No fairplay in online chess?
Reply #3 - 10/07/19 at 16:25:12
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Anonymous play is a total cesspit, as no-one is invested on their behaviour and repercussions are nil. As noted, registering will make a big difference; also, you'll be playing stronger players, which correlates (somewhat weakly) with more 'professional' behaviour.
  

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Re: No fairplay in online chess?
Reply #2 - 10/07/19 at 15:44:38
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 10/07/19 at 14:25:07:
I decided to play some blitz games anonymously online the other day, mostly against very weak players, and I was surprised that almost none of them resigned - at least two thirds just let their time run out rather than resign! Is this normal?


If you play anonymously, i.e. against unregistered users, this is "normal".

It's much rarer with a registered (rated) account, but still does happen. (Even if the sites penalize for it)
  
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Re: No fairplay in online chess?
Reply #1 - 10/07/19 at 15:03:58
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2 out of 3 is really extreme. But I would agree, that the online culture on chess servers has changed over the past few years. A few years back few players would have regularly flagged people from losing positions. Svidler is a good example of what sportmanship meant, when I grew up. When you are clearly lost and your opponent is running out of time, you offer a draw. You don't play K+R vd K+R. These days there are so many streamers who flag for rating points and entertaining value.

With this attitude, new players don't learn any "ethic codes" connected with online chess. 

You can see this change in different ways. But I find this development pretty sad, too.
  
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No fairplay in online chess?
10/07/19 at 14:25:07
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I decided to play some blitz games anonymously online the other day, mostly against very weak players, and I was surprised that almost none of them resigned - at least two thirds just let their time run out rather than resign! Is this normal?
  
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