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Re: Slav with 3.e3
Reply #1 - 04/16/20 at 21:10:11
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 04/16/20 at 19:54:14:
If white wants to play the Slow Slav with 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e3 (not that white should want to play this, but many whites inexplicably do), is there anything wrong with playing 3.e3 first? And then simply 4.Nf3 against any normal black move. This at least eliminates 3.Nf3 dxc4!?, which is a strange hybrid QGA / Slav / Noteboom thing. The only extra options I see for black are:
  • a Stonewall with ...f7-f5 -- I guess both sides might be unhappy now, personally I would be unhappier with black;
  • and maybe 3...Bf5 with the idea 4...e6, temporarily preventing Nf3-h4, e.g. 4.Nf3 (4.Nc3 e6 5.g4!? has been tried) 4...e6 5.Nc3 (5.Qb3 Qb6 6.Nh4 Be4 7.Nc3 h6) 5...Nd7 6.Qb3 Rb8!? (still trying to hold up Nf3-h4) 7.cxd5 exd5 8.e4!? scores 100% for white. Normally I don't trust statistics, but I did a quick look and one idea is Nf3-g5 followed by Bc1-f4.

I don't see anything terribly wrong with 3.e3 as a move order.

I think the second line is slightly problematic for white. Firstly instead of 7... exd5 black can improve with 7... cxd5, leading to an Exchange Slav where white has played e2-e3 before Bf4. I would already prefer black. Secondly, even if black plays 6... Qb6 it's not clear what white is hoping for. After 7. Nh4 black can exploit queen's premature excursion to b3 with 7... Qxb3 8. axb3 Bc2. I would also argue that 3. Nf3 dxc4 is something that white should welcome with open arms, not try to avoid. After 4. e3 b5 5. a4 e6 6. axb5 cxb5 7. b3 Bb4+ 8. Bd2 Bxd2+ 9. Nbxd2 a5 10. bxc4 b4 11. Ne5 (which I assume is the line that worries you based on your reference to the Noteboom) white has a significantly improved version of the Noteboom, having spent one tempo moving the bishop to d2 instead of three moving it to b2. After the mainline 11. Ne5 Nf6 (11... Bb7?? 12. c5! +-) 12. Be2 0-0 (12... Bb7? 13. Qa4+ +/-) 13. Bf3 black's development is not going nearly as smoothly as in the Noteboom, and I think white should be very happy with the outcome of the opening.
  
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Slav with 3.e3
04/16/20 at 19:54:14
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If white wants to play the Slow Slav with 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e3 (not that white should want to play this, but many whites inexplicably do), is there anything wrong with playing 3.e3 first? And then simply 4.Nf3 against any normal black move. This at least eliminates 3.Nf3 dxc4!?, which is a strange hybrid QGA / Slav / Noteboom thing. The only extra options I see for black are:
  • a Stonewall with ...f7-f5 -- I guess both sides might be unhappy now, personally I would be unhappier with black;
  • and maybe 3...Bf5 with the idea 4...e6, temporarily preventing Nf3-h4, e.g. 4.Nf3 (4.Nc3 e6 5.g4!? has been tried) 4...e6 5.Nc3 (5.Qb3 Qb6 6.Nh4 Be4 7.Nc3 h6) 5...Nd7 6.Qb3 Rb8!? (still trying to hold up Nf3-h4) 7.cxd5 exd5 8.e4!? scores 100% for white. Normally I don't trust statistics, but I did a quick look and one idea is Nf3-g5 followed by Bc1-f4.

I don't see anything terribly wrong with 3.e3 as a move order.
  
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