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Re: New Bertramisch Video / PGN
Reply #11 - 04/29/21 at 15:21:53
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I see that against Caruana he drew with 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 rather than with 2.Bf4 (or 2.Nc3). Who exactly does he play 2.Bf4 against?

I'm not opposed to playing non-professional systems with either color. Choose the system wisely, and then prepare it well. If this is a second-string opening where a strong IM can beat weaker players because he has prepared it to the nth degree, it doesn't necessarily follow that another player will get good or even satisfactory results with it.
  
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Re: New Bertramisch Video / PGN
Reply #10 - 04/29/21 at 15:00:46
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MNb wrote on 04/28/21 at 05:04:33:
Unfortunately this requires Black's cooperation in the form of playing ...Bf5. It doesn't work after 3...a6 4.e3 e6 and ...c5.


3.a6 aproach is certainly covered. Lubbe is a strong IM who drew with Caruana:
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1886131

He and his wife are well known for their training course on Chess 24 (Middlegames and Endgames). On Monday (03-05-2021) part 228 of their course will be broadcasted.
  
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Re: New Bertramisch Video / PGN
Reply #9 - 04/28/21 at 13:17:41
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In a sense *all* marketing strategies are misleading. Some more, others less. But I don't see the quoted part as particularly misleading.

When I think of a "plan" in chess, it is "what I would do if my opponent does nothing". Sometimes the do nothing part is just for one tempo. What I can do if my opponent does something is not a plan but a variation or calculation. Of course if my opponent sees my plan and takes steps against it then I do something different. That doesn't make my plan not a plan.
  
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Re: New Bertramisch Video / PGN
Reply #8 - 04/28/21 at 05:04:33
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Am I the only one who thinks IM Lubbe's marketing strategy rather misleading? From the link in the OT:

"Der rudimentäre Plan war einfach: Wir bauen uns immer gleich auf, rochieren lang und stürmen mit den Bauern am Königsflügel vor."

"The rudimentary plan was simple: we always build up the same way, castle queenside and initiate a pawn storm on the king's wing."

Unfortunately this requires Black's cooperation in the form of playing ...Bf5. It doesn't work after 3...a6 4.e3 e6 and ...c5. From the table of content of the video course I conclude that IM Lubbe too wants White to castle kingside with a slow positional game.
On the positive side the sharp lines can be played via the Accelerated London 1.d4 Nf6 3.Bf4 d5 3.e3 Bf5 only now 4.Nc3 e6 5.f3. However I'm not sure who needs this video course to study this line.
  

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Re: New Bertramisch Video / PGN
Reply #7 - 04/27/21 at 21:50:17
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Confused_by_Theory wrote on 04/27/21 at 21:07:42:
The whole process of good play being determined, played and eventually put in books or videos is, especially in theory, faster than ever.

This doesn't even worry me. Once the amount of information has exceeded one individual's ability to remember it, it actually doesn't matter how much more information there is, how much better it is, or how fast we are adding to it. I'm very confident that, even though they know more than me, even the very top players have reached a kind of practical limit to their opening knowledge. Witness the Jones - So encounter I linked to the other day. Basically So only knows openings he has seen before, which are highly skewed towards what's popular at the top, but of course it also includes openings he played or faced as a junior.

There is functionally no difference between a future perfectly mapped out opening space (every move in every variation catalogued with evaluation) and the current situation. Either way it's too much to remember. The biggest issue is one of predictability and preparation. If you play the same opening all the time, someone with no knowledge of how to play can look up your one opening and play perfectly against you. This can happen to Niklas Lubbe as well. The countermeasure against this is to play something untheoretical with small randomizing, and "just play chess". Which is the same as saying the arms race is irrelevant.
  
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Re: New Bertramisch Video / PGN
Reply #6 - 04/27/21 at 21:07:42
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Hi.

cathexis wrote on 04/27/21 at 15:02:00:
This is a translation of the first paragraph:

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Successfully playing main systems is becoming more and more difficult: you learn dozens of hours of individual plays after 1.e4 or 1.d4 and the next book will be published and refute the just learned variant. And how can it be otherwise: Of course our opponent already knows the latest tricks and tricks. It often feels like we're no longer playing against people, but against opening books.


I would be curious what the forum members think of this, regardless of the system referenced. I tend to believe that in any competition in life it is always the man more than the method. For example, I have read about the Ruy Lopez, "The one who knows it the deeper will likely win. All things being equal."


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I feel where he is coming from. The chess arms race is very much a thing. With the invention of strong AI engines anybody can basically do meaningful opening work. In almost any line now as well due to strength and especially speed of engines. The whole process of good play being determined, played and eventually put in books or videos is, especially in theory, faster than ever.

What I tend to find is that high levels of general preparation can often frustrate attempts to reach strategic positions even if I'm playing an opening that opens up for many strategic positions. Openings that are strategic but where the opposing side has realistically no big idea of how to make the game less strategic are quite valuable overall. 

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Re: New Bertramisch Video / PGN
Reply #5 - 04/27/21 at 18:22:47
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Niklas Lubbe says, he is the Worlds leading expert in this opening. He has played it for more than 20 years and put a lot of work in it.
  
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Re: New Bertramisch Video / PGN
Reply #4 - 04/27/21 at 16:45:56
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Every player needs to do their own math. Quality openings require more Time. Stronger opposition requires better openings. So it's an arithmetic problem: result of the opening = Q*T/S. What opening result are you satisfied with? If your opponent is weak enough, any junk opening can win. If your opponent is too strong, preparing like Kasparov won't be enough. In the middle, is where judgment enters the picture. 

I think a good example to look at is Gata Kamsky. When he was trying to win the world championship, he played the sharpest and best openings. Now that he is trying to win open tournaments, he has switched back to routine openings. He is clearly capable of playing better openings, and if he still did that then his *opening* results might be a little better. But his overall results would not be enough better to be worth the extra time.

The opening is complicated enough that it's not possible, in an *average* position, to calculate the best move. Even the top engines need an opening book for the early moves. So as Alekhine said, the objective is to make the opponent think for himself. That's when he will make a mistake. But it's not a good idea to accomplish this by making a mistake yourself first.

Keep in mind that "winning" the opening battle is not the same as winning the game, there remains the middlegame and the endgame to navigate. See for example today's game Nakamura - Jones, New in Chess Classic Prelims (11) 2021 https://en.chessbase.com/post/new-in-chess-classic-carlsen-wins-preliminaries. Jones was fine out of the opening and was outplayed in the endgame. Without making any outright bad move he was "suddenly" losing a pawn. But I don't know, it might still be classified as an "opening" victory for Nakamura. It all depends on when both players were on their own...
  
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Re: New Bertramisch Video / PGN
Reply #3 - 04/27/21 at 15:02:00
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This is a translation of the first paragraph:

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Successfully playing main systems is becoming more and more difficult: you learn dozens of hours of individual plays after 1.e4 or 1.d4 and the next book will be published and refute the just learned variant. And how can it be otherwise: Of course our opponent already knows the latest tricks and tricks. It often feels like we're no longer playing against people, but against opening books.


I would be curious what the forum members think of this, regardless of the system referenced. I tend to believe that in any competition in life it is always the man more than the method. For example, I have read about the Ruy Lopez, "The one who knows it the deeper will likely win. All things being equal."


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Re: New Bertramisch Video / PGN
Reply #2 - 04/27/21 at 14:14:25
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Bibs wrote on 04/27/21 at 09:17:17:
Your verdict on this alyechin? Any good? Or not?


Differnt variations from Williams "Jobava London System" (prefers Nb5 in the 1 d4 d5 2 Nc3 Nf6 3 Bf4 e6 variation). Its in German.
  
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Re: New Bertramisch Video / PGN
Reply #1 - 04/27/21 at 09:17:17
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Your verdict on this alyechin? Any good? Or not?
  
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New Bertramisch Video / PGN
04/26/21 at 08:41:57
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Repertoire based on 1.d4 2.Sc3 3.Lf4

https://www.chessemy.com/shop/eroeffnung/bertramisch/
  
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