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Re: Coffeehouse 1.e4 Repertoire by Gawain Jones
Reply #27 - 11/28/21 at 23:23:43
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Thanks CbT and Zarvox. I had similar impressions. It is safe enough, white is unlikely to get into trouble, but it is a bit dry too. Handy as a low-theory way to play a game, perhaps.

Fantasy, Advance with Short (Nf3, Be2) or Tal (h4, Bd3), or straight Nd2-b3. Ah, choices...
  
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Re: Coffeehouse 1.e4 Repertoire by Gawain Jones
Reply #26 - 11/28/21 at 14:02:03
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Bibs wrote on 11/27/21 at 02:53:32:
Any thoughts on the anti-caro line given therein?
Exchange with Ne5, Bb5.

Not something I know much about at all. Anyone?


I used to play the so-called Apocalypse Attack 1.e4 c6 2. Nf3 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.Ne5 after seeing it many years ago in Secrets of Opening Surprises volume 2. See also http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/articles/opening/apocalypse/apocalypse.htm

I found it entertaining to play but stopped playing it since my opponents seemed slightly surprised by it but usually they didn't have much trouble reaching fine positions. I was happy to see Coffeehouse 1.e4 Repertoire cover this as an alternative move order against the Caro-Kann, to get a modernized, GM-level take on this attack. But I'm not convinced yet that I should take it up again since, as Confused_by_Theory pointed out, Black gets nice development and some of the positions are kind of dry.

Overall I absolutely love both Coffeehouse volumes though. Jones writes very well, and the lines are mostly aggressive, full of pitfalls Black can fall into, and have at least a little bit of surprise value, while also being fully playable even at GM level. 

I also really like IM Banzea's 1.e4 series on Chessable, and find it similar in style to Coffeehouse though with no overlap so far in the variations chosen (two out of the three courses are out, and the third should complete the repertoire). So I am planning to mix and match between these. 

For the Caro-Kann, Banzea gives the Fantasy Variation 3.f3 in 
https://www.chessable.com/ambush-1e4-fighting-sidelines/course/78850/
I also used to play this years ago but had trouble against 3...e6. But Banzea gives some interesting new ideas there, and the positions are pretty tricky and fun. Objectively equal for Black, of course, but I highly doubt I could demonstrate any advantage for White in the main line Caro-Kann either.
  
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Re: Coffeehouse 1.e4 Repertoire by Gawain Jones
Reply #25 - 11/27/21 at 10:49:29
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Hi.

Bibs wrote on 11/27/21 at 02:53:32:
Any thoughts on the anti-caro line given therein?
Exchange with Ne5, Bb5.

Not something I know much about at all. Anyone?

Did not look much but wasn't to attracted. Apart from all the other variations you would need to learn I thought black would get very easy development in:
1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Bb5+ Nc6 6.Ne5 Bd7 7.Nxd7 Qxd7 8.c3
If first 8.0-0 a6 9.Bd3? Nxd4 is bad for white. So getting this Bd3 posting basically needs to come with c3 first as Jones recommends. There are some other bishop placements like 9.Ba4 (probably a bit slow) and Be2 (probably not as good as on d3) but I'm not to attracted. As I recall I looked up that in one of the few recent high level correspondence games white tried 9.Be2 and I didn't look much but was not terribly impressed.
8...a6 9.Bd3 e5 10.dxe5 Nxe5 11.0-0
and now instead of the given 11...Bd6; which is going to be probably quite similar and very close to equal if black castles short (and Jones doesn't even claim any advantage, just that white has easier play). I thought for black maybe...
11...Bc5!?
Is easier. If white does go 12.Bc2 and black follows 12...0-0 that is what looks like a relatively nice looking IQP for black. He has excellent development and possibility to go Ne4 at any moment to synergise with the bishop. The computer recommends the utterly dull
12.Bf4 Nxd3 13.Qxd3 O-O 14.Nd2
and claims a minute edge. These 2v2 pieces IQP positions are gonna be super dry to play though. Not for me Tongue

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Re: Coffeehouse 1.e4 Repertoire by Gawain Jones
Reply #24 - 11/27/21 at 02:53:32
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Any thoughts on the anti-caro line given therein?
Exchange with Ne5, Bb5.

Not something I know much about at all. Anyone?
  
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Re: Coffeehouse 1.e4 Repertoire by Gawain Jones
Reply #23 - 11/15/21 at 23:29:14
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I think that the Sicilian will be the great challenge for me. But I think I will give it a choice. Let's see how it goes.

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Re: Coffeehouse 1.e4 Repertoire by Gawain Jones
Reply #22 - 11/07/21 at 08:38:25
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Hi.

The Pirc and modern coverage in the book (with 4.Be3) look really good it has to be said. If black is equalising it's gonna be with very good play.

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Re: Coffeehouse 1.e4 Repertoire by Gawain Jones
Reply #21 - 11/07/21 at 00:17:25
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CanadianClub wrote on 11/06/21 at 18:52:54:
Hi all. I hace been playing 1.d4 all my life (never played 1.e4) and recently expanded my rep with 1.Nf3 in pure Reti style (not quick 1.d4). Now I want to expand with 1.e4.

Is it a good starting point? I play French and AccDragon Sicilian (Noe hyperAcc to not allow Rossolimo).

What would be the most challenging part? 1...e5? 1...c5? I was intending to play Bishops Opening to get something not extremely theoretically hard to study and focus on Sicilians mainly (I know Tiviakov lines -some- by playing it with Black). Are Pirc, Modern, Alekhine, Scandis lines practical enough to start playing them without too much prep? Any suggested "easy" lines instead of some of them?

So... Do you recommend this repertoire to me? I am 1750 fide right now.

Thx !


I haven't read the repertoire yet and am planning to order the books later this week. I would think they would be a great way to start learning an e4 rep for someone of your strength (I'm about 1650).

Jones' earlier books seemed to be both well explained and analytically fair. I haven't seen anything to suggest these books wont be either.

As for the lines themselves, I would guess the Sicilian bit will be the most challenging because of the variety of lines you are learning. The e5 lines are in comparison fairly narrow I think. 

I don't know how long the line against the French will hold up. That may be something you need to replace at some point in the future. As for the other lines I think other than the one for the caro kann, they are all lines often recommended as being good for white and I don't seem them developing problems going forwards.
  

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Re: Coffeehouse 1.e4 Repertoire by Gawain Jones
Reply #20 - 11/06/21 at 18:52:54
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Hi all. I hace been playing 1.d4 all my life (never played 1.e4) and recently expanded my rep with 1.Nf3 in pure Reti style (not quick 1.d4). Now I want to expand with 1.e4.

Is it a good starting point? I play French and AccDragon Sicilian (Noe hyperAcc to not allow Rossolimo).

What would be the most challenging part? 1...e5? 1...c5? I was intending to play Bishops Opening to get something not extremely theoretically hard to study and focus on Sicilians mainly (I know Tiviakov lines -some- by playing it with Black). Are Pirc, Modern, Alekhine, Scandis lines practical enough to start playing them without too much prep? Any suggested "easy" lines instead of some of them?

So... Do you recommend this repertoire to me? I am 1750 fide right now.

Thx !
  
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Re: Coffeehouse 1.e4 Repertoire by Gawain Jones
Reply #19 - 10/30/21 at 22:26:54
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FC = Forward Chess
https://forwardchess.com/product/coffeehouse-repertoire1.e4:-volume1
No, you can't get a pgn file out of it. (Actually, where there's a will there's a way, but it would require breaking the terms of service.)
  
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Re: Coffeehouse 1.e4 Repertoire by Gawain Jones
Reply #18 - 10/30/21 at 15:07:33
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BigTy wrote on 07/09/21 at 00:06:02:
[quote author=5F747A49641D0 link=1625362447/3#3 date=1625789072]I have it on FC. Seems really good so far, but I haven't gone deeply into it yet.




is FC a software that turns books into pgn files? can you tell me more about where to find this? I would like to learn how to do the conversion. Thanks.
  
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Re: Coffeehouse 1.e4 Repertoire by Gawain Jones
Reply #17 - 09/27/21 at 04:48:02
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Hi.

One little detail about the Carlsen variation is that white should basically play the optimistic move 8.Bb2 in the mainline (one of the mainlines?). E.g.

1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Qxd4 Nc6 5.Qd2 g6 6.b3 Bh6 7.f4 Nf6 8.Bb2
With pawn sacrifice on f4 on the cards later.
Not some seemingly strengthening move like 8.g3 or 8.Nge2 (even if playable).
Naturally I completely messed this up the first time I tried this stuff, so I thought I would mention it as a point where some slight knowledge is good.

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Re: Coffeehouse 1.e4 Repertoire by Gawain Jones
Reply #16 - 09/24/21 at 07:18:29
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A small comment. 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 cxd4 4 Qxd4 (Nc6 5 Bb5) is Chekhover variantion. There has been some recent new ideas for white that does not involve marozy like setups.

1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 d6 3 d4 cxd4 4  Qxd4 Nc6 5 Bb5 is  called Gashimov variation. There was some 1h Chessbase DVD about the line some year ago.

I did rather recommend Carlsen variantion since in my experince with the white pieces whites position is that much easier to play regardless of blacks setup
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Reply #15 - 09/12/21 at 16:17:49
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tracke wrote on 09/06/21 at 15:22:38:
The PDF excerpt to Volume 2 is out now! 

See: http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/products/1/397/coffeehouse_repertoire_1e4_volume_2...

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it looks like an amazing work overall...

So, the lines are more or less as expected, what are your impressions of the repertoire?

I would have liked something different vs. the Caro-Kann, perhaps some Advance Variation line. 

  
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Re: Coffeehouse 1.e4 Repertoire by Gawain Jones
Reply #14 - 09/06/21 at 15:22:38
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The PDF excerpt to Volume 2 is out now! 

See: http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/products/1/397/coffeehouse_repertoire_1e4_volume_2...

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Re: Coffeehouse 1.e4 Repertoire by Gawain Jones
Reply #13 - 08/09/21 at 21:48:14
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Thanks katar, that's really helpful. I had my doubts about the Moscow for the reason you give, and the Rossolimo seems a bit subtle too. 

At first I was confused by your mention of the Chekhover, because I have always thought of that as arising via 2.Nf3; but I now realise that you can also get to it via 2.Nc3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Qxd4 Nc6 5.Bb5 Bd7 6.Bxc6 Bxc6 7.Nf3. 

So I am now wondering whether this could be a relatively painless way to get into the open Sicilian, in stages:

Stage 1: follow Jones (including 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Bb5, not his alternative 3.Nge2)

Stage 2: after 2.Nc3 e6 3.Nf3 a6, for Jones' 4.g3 substitute 4.d4 (having learned the 5.Nc3 Kan), but continue to answer 3...Nc6 with 4.Bb5.

Stage 3: in that latter line, switch to 4.d4 (having learned a line against the Taimanov).

Stage 4: after 2.Nc3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Qxd4 Nc6, for 5.Qd2 substitute 5.Bb5 (the Chekhover).

Stage 5: switch to 2.Nf3, answering 2...Nc6 with 3.d4 and reaching the Chekhover via 2...d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Qxd4 (or 3...Nf6 4.Nc3 cxd4 5.Qxd4).

Stage 6: switch to 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4.

I suppose the order of stages 2, 3 and 4 could be switched around. 

I'm sure this is an over-simplification, but does the general idea look reasonable? Stage 5 looks the toughest, since it would involve learning everything after 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 except the Taimanov; but even this seems less daunting than learning the whole of the open Sicilian all at once.
  
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