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Re: Game analysis - request
Reply #18 - 11/12/21 at 20:15:07
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Thank you for your response.
I've analyzed this position with h6-g5 idea, there are (prevailing I think) opinions that Bg5 in this opening (Giuoco Pianissimo) is weak before Black has castled because of strong kingside attack but I can't agree.
That is beyond some level perhaps that is the case but... while it is true that Black has kingside attack if White chooses to capitalize the pin I don't think that it is worth much. That is I have problems with finding the ways to finalizing / continuing this attack because:
1. White can just castle kingside. It seems like castling under attack, but while f2 pawn will be temporarily pinned it is easy to solve this problem by Kg1 - h1; f3 knight if attacked can go to h4 and there are also other options; h2-h3 prevents White's bishop from being taken after h6-h5-h4; Bf2 reduces the stress put to f2 by Bc5;
2. White can open the center with d3-d4;
3. Now, taking the above into account it is not good for Black to leave King in the center because it will be exposed to rooks attacks, ideas like Nxe5 and Qxh5+, weakness of e6 pawn etc.
Kingside castling is related to similar problems. Now, what is left is queenside castling. But unfortunately with Bc5 and Nc6 White can attack Black's castled King position with tempos and it might be necessary to play Kb8 to ensure that King is relatively safe, yet the column a might get open and it might be necessary for Black's King to escape towards the center, that is we return to the problems described earlier.
I've seen games where Black utilizes h6-g5 plan very effectively leaving King untouched and not even bringing a8 rook into the action. But they often involve positional queen sacrifice, I don't reject it per se, but I simply cannot find the moves in these positions over the board.

As to 12. ... Qc8 - I simply missed it, thank you for pointing this out, although having analyzed it I'm not sure if that is such a great idea (for me) for reasons similar to that described above.

As to Qb3 - I knew that it is a pretty standard move in Giuoco Piano (to capitalize stress on f7 pawn, defend Bc4 and perhaps put some stress to b7) although not in this specific position (I've seen it a lot but in open Giuoco Piano). Thank you for pointing this out.

For the reasons described above I think that meeting d3 with ... h6 is a very good option in Giuoco Pianissimo.
  
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Re: Game analysis - request
Reply #17 - 11/07/21 at 18:38:47
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Paul Garcia wrote on 11/07/21 at 10:51:57:
I mainly ask about if you think if h6-g5 was sufficiently justified. Then ... Be6, before making this move my view on this was that it was a good one and it is a pretty standard move played in this opening, but then I changed my mind seeing Qb3.

Yes ...g7-g5 is standard, sometimes black plays this without being provoked by Bc1-g5. This idea is in Greco (1400s) who mainly shows ways for white to sacrifice on g5 for a winning attack. Whether ...g7-g5 is justified? This requires some fine judgment. The best anyone can say is, think hard about it, if you see some advantages and don't see a refutation then have the courage of your convictions and play it. Only hard, effortful analysis of multiple similar positions can create for you the fine judgment required. For what it's worth, the engine gives black an edge.

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Position after 12.Qb3

Qb3 is also standard, black always has to be alert for this. The e6 pawn is much more important than the b7 pawn. You could have defended both pawns very simply by 12...Qc8, another standard move. (In some e4 e5 openings, but not here, white can attack e6 again with Nf3-g5, and black answers ...Nc6-d8.) 12...Qd7 is a much more active way of sacrificing the b7 pawn. And 12...Kd7!? sets the trap 13.Qxb7? Na5 -+.

If you stick with the same opening patterns (say 1.e4 e5), after a while you will see more of these mini ideas (Soltis calls them priyomes, but for some reason I don't like that word). But in every unique position you still have to verify for yourself whether the idea works out for you or not.
  
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Re: Game analysis - request
Reply #16 - 11/07/21 at 10:51:57
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Hi, what do you think about the general plan I took in the below game? I mainly ask about if you think if h6-g5 was sufficiently justified. Then ... Be6, before making this move my view on this was that it was a good one and it is a pretty standard move played in this opening, but then I changed my mind seeing Qb3. Should I have precede it by Qe7?
Kd7 might seem as risky but in fact I think it was the best - there is immediate need to defend both Nc6 and Ra8 and in this way I consolidate rooks (threat of Kb8 seizing the black Queen into a trap although admittedly it was easy to defend which actually happened), also black King is relatively safe in the center thanks to pawn shield.
I'm not sure if it wasn't better to play ... Nxg2 instead of ... 14. ... Nxd3 as the latter gave black pieces the option to pin my pawn against the King.
I'm glad that I managed to win this game but I felt like White had advantage during most of it.
Thank you in advance for comments.

  
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Re: Game analysis - request
Reply #15 - 11/06/21 at 10:28:06
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Sorry that I response after so long time but thank you very much for your comment. My idea of ... f7 - f6 , ... e6 - e5 was that I should do it only after sufficient preparation although I don't know how real it would be to achieve necessary setup.
But what you gave really sounds like a decent plan with the view on expansion into enemy's territory.
  
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Re: Game analysis - request
Reply #14 - 09/17/21 at 06:16:45
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Paul Garcia wrote on 09/16/21 at 08:48:18:
Can you say how my plan should look like  after 16. a5 ?


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game after 16.a5

Your idea ...f7-f6, ...e6-e5 looks like it would just lose the d5-pawn for not very much. The engine likes 16...Bb5, which is good but not yet connected with any plan. I would choose to maneuver the knight from e7 to d6, with the most likely followup ...f7-f5, ...Nd6-e4.
  
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Re: Game analysis - request
Reply #13 - 09/16/21 at 08:48:18
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@Confused_by_Theory : thank you for your valuable input.

Here, I present a game which I managed to win although I was losing - it was a blunder to play 33. ... Qd7, I should have played 33. ... h6 instead. Having said that - I somehow failed to formulate a plan for this game. Can you say how my plan should look like  after 16. a5 ? I was someone hoping and preparing for f7-f6, e6 - e5 break but I'm not sure if it was correct. Any comments are welcome.

  
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Re: Game analysis - request
Reply #12 - 09/14/21 at 00:21:19
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Hi.

Paul Garcia wrote on 09/13/21 at 08:39:37:
Hello,

I put the game where I successfully too advantage of my opponent's unprotected King position. I'm happy because of that game as I've had trouble with exploiting opponents' exposed King. Any comments are welcome.

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I also have some questions:
1. was it reasonable for my opponent to push forward his queenside pawns taking into account that the center was not closed and that he had already played h6 - thus already weakening potential kingside castle? I know that with the center being closed (as in French advance variation) it is sometimes possible to push forward pawns on both sides on the board, but here I had opportunity to open the center at every point.
2. 10. Bf4 was immediately met with 10. ... g5, but if it wasn't and I managed to set up Qd2 and the position was roughly the same should I take h pawn if possible? General advice is that one should not take opponent's pawns on the same side where one castled in order not to open files which would allow the opponent to attack, but here I'm a piece up so it seems to me that I should manage to force exchanges and simplify the position. Or am I wrong?
3. I spent quite a lot of time considering if I should do something in order to rescue the knight after 21. ... Kc7. I think now that such an extensive analysis was not needed - after all I had the attack and in such situations it's generally best to just continue it. So 22. bxc6 was correct - it opened opponent's queenside of the board for me, taking into account that his King was in the center it just allowed me to continue initiative and the fact the Bxb5 would pin the knight was making bxc6 especially encouraging.

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Yes it was reasonable. Black has strategic problems if he doesn't manage to push some pawn to the fifth rank at some point and b5 around the time it was played seems about as good as any plan there. That being said, white being able to play a d5 or e5 thrust and in most realistic scenarios open up the game in process is a good thing for white. Sure.
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Black has less space and worse coordination so even if you technically open up slightly in front of your king by taking a h-pawn it is still going to be impossible for black to get a real initiative going (against decent play). Having the extra pawn is very nice as well.
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In a blitz game retreating loose pieces or just in general doing something that ups the safety of your position seems fine. In longer forms of chess just calculate and see if the situation with a threatened knight is indeed troublesome or not. Chess is absolutely full of situations where you can get away with having a seemingly loose piece or two. When a piece happens to drop off unexpectedly don't quote this Grin

As for the other games. 
When black has a g4-h5 sort of weird construct of a pawn structure you can probably just go h3 at some point and try to open up the game.In general some pawn action seems advisable though since g4 is defended by its pawn friend and h5 hard to reach quickly.

In the game you went Nd7 it was indeed just a bad time for that move.

Have a nice day.
  
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Re: Game analysis - request
Reply #11 - 09/13/21 at 19:14:04
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Yes, and I don't and rather wouldn't (except perhaps for some special reasons) request extensive analysis for these games. I play these blitzes to learn some tricks which I think I often miss in long-time games and to learn some plan of games which I have some problems to formulate.
But I also play long-time control games, I'll post some here after I have played them.
However if you see some pretty obvious moves that I could have played better or some obvious things I can improve, the comments are welcome.
  
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Re: Game analysis - request
Reply #10 - 09/13/21 at 18:08:13
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It's good you are analyzing your own games. I took a look at these three and your comments are relevant, so your analysis is on the right track. But these are only 3'+5" games, I'm reluctant to spend more time analyzing than you took playing.
  
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Re: Game analysis - request
Reply #9 - 09/13/21 at 13:47:10
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I moved all the requests for game analysis here. One post with followups is enough for this kind of thing. Don't spam the forum with a post for each one.
  
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Game analysis - dangerous Knight on the rim
Reply #8 - 09/13/21 at 09:06:02
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I lost the following game. I was surprised by the method by which my opponent managed to take advantage of his Knight on "a" file - attack on c7 is a standard trick, here we see attack on b6. This move in connection with the Black's unmoved b7 pawn allowed to severely restrict usability of the Black's "a" rook. 17. ... Nd7 was bad, I think - it allowed my opponent to pin my Knight against my Rook. I'd be much better with moves like ... Nc6, Be6.
Also, I think that I should have moved ... b5 or ... a6 much earlier.
Any comments are welcome.
  
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Game analysis - Grob's defence
Reply #7 - 09/13/21 at 09:36:24
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Hi,

I lost the following game.



It seemed to me that I should have some possibilities of exploiting the fact that he exposed his kingside early in the game but either it is not so easy or I failed to do it in this game.
My mistakes:
1. I failed to see that after 8. ... dxc6 he uncover file for his Queen attacking my pawn,
2. I failed to see that 14. Qg5 I'm leaving my f-pawn unprotected,
3. I failed to see that after his 20. ... Rf8 I can play 21. Rxe5. If he played then 21. ... Rf2 then after 22. Rxe8+ ... 23. Rxg8 Rxg2 the situation is unclear.

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Re: Game analysis - two bishops vs two knights endgame
Reply #6 - 09/13/21 at 13:45:23
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Game analysis - opponent's unprotected King
Reply #5 - 09/13/21 at 08:39:37
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Hello,

I put the game where I successfully too advantage of my opponent's unprotected King position. I'm happy because of that game as I've had trouble with exploiting opponents' exposed King. Any comments are welcome.



I also have some questions:
1. was it reasonable for my opponent to push forward his queenside pawns taking into account that the center was not closed and that he had already played h6 - thus already weakening potential kingside castle? I know that with the center being closed (as in French advance variation) it is sometimes possible to push forward pawns on both sides on the board, but here I had opportunity to open the center at every point.
2. 10. Bf4 was immediately met with 10. ... g5, but if it wasn't and I managed to set up Qd2 and the position was roughly the same should I take h pawn if possible? General advice is that one should not take opponent's pawns on the same side where one castled in order not to open files which would allow the opponent to attack, but here I'm a piece up so it seems to me that I should manage to force exchanges and simplify the position. Or am I wrong? 
3. I spent quite a lot of time considering if I should do something in order to rescue the knight after 21. ... Kc7. I think now that such an extensive analysis was not needed - after all I had the attack and in such situations it's generally best to just continue it. So 22. bxc6 was correct - it opened opponent's queenside of the board for me, taking into account that his King was in the center it just allowed me to continue initiative and the fact the Bxb5 would pin the knight was making bxc6 especially encouraging.

Mistakes (on both sides):
1. I don't know if he actually saw that Rg8 I can play e5 protecting my knight with Bishop (so that if he captures it with his Rook, I take it). I'm not sure if he did 15. ... dxe5 on purpose, in my opinion just taking the Knight with Pawn was playable (by continuing defense by advancing his heavy pieces to seventh line).
2. "I don't know if he actually saw that Rg8 I can play e5 protecting my knight with Bishop" - I saw it only after the game, while I was analyzing it.
  
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Re: Game analysis - two bishops vs two knights endgame
Reply #4 - 09/13/21 at 07:23:25
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Thank you very much, I see that I'll have to do a lot of learning/analysis but these are some very good starting points, with reference to details!
  
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