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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #110 - 04/11/22 at 09:45:08
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Jonathan Tait wrote on 04/08/22 at 09:54:35:
I actually insisted it be done that way. Sorry. I just really like the old tree structure type format.


I think that is more than fair, you are the one writing it, and I'm sure over the years I've seen more people on here state a preference in favour of the tree format than against, so my preference is probably a minority view anyway - and I think the quality of the book easily makes up for any minor discomfort I may personally have from the layout so much so that I barely notice it. 

SWJediknight wrote on 04/09/22 at 11:30:04:
With being a fan of this general approach to openings and having 1...e5 as one of my two main responses to 1.e4 (my other favourite, 1...d5 and the Smerdon's Scandinavian stuff, is in a similar vein), though, I couldn't pass it up.


@SWJediknight, you are one of the inspirations (along with Jonathan, @Katar and @smurfo) behind me picking up both the Smerdon lines a few years ago and now this book in switching to e4 & e5. Thank you.





  

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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #109 - 04/10/22 at 12:25:22
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OK, thanks. Very helpful.
  
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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #108 - 04/10/22 at 00:03:58
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The Quaade is covered in this book, even though the main recommendation against the King's Gambit is the Wagenbach Defence (1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 h5).  Against 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Nc3, 4...Nc6 transposes into the Vienna Gambit lines that are covered via 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4 exf4 4.Nf3 g5.  Thus, Jonathan's book effectively provides a complete response to the Quaade, though you'd need to look elsewhere for coverage of other 4th moves after 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5.
  
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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #107 - 04/09/22 at 22:38:09
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I admit I haven't read all these 100+ posts.
But I wanted to ask what, if anything, Jonathan covers in the King's Gambit? In particular, the Quaade? Asking since it is featured in the Shaw book.

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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #106 - 04/09/22 at 18:04:18
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IMJohnCox wrote on 03/29/22 at 14:19:06:

Thinking about it, 1 e4 e5 2 Bc5 f5 looks absolutely ridiculous, but on the other hand it seems unlikely that White would be simply lost in the King's Gambit Declined if he passed on move three.

Yes, this does look ridiculous since 2 Bc5 isn't legal Smiley.
  
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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #105 - 04/09/22 at 11:30:04
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It took me longer than I expected to buy this, as I've been busy.  With being a fan of this general approach to openings and having 1...e5 as one of my two main responses to 1.e4 (my other favourite, 1...d5 and the Smerdon's Scandinavian stuff, is in a similar vein), though, I couldn't pass it up.  The chapters on the Two Knights Defence in particular are very relevant to my current repertoire, as are the ones on 2.Nc3 Nc6 (I like to "take on" the Vienna Gambit with 2...Nc6 3.f4 exf4).  I'm also interested in some of the other lines such as the Jaenisch Ruy, Calabrese and the Wagenbach, even though I'm not sure that I'll end up playing them myself.  

Also, as someone who has studied the Danish and Göring Gambits extensively, I think 3...Qe7!? is a very good recommendation against the Danish, essentially accepting the gambit but on Black's terms rather than White's.  I also think you did well to cover White's alternatives to 5.exd5 in the Göring Gambit with 4...d5, and I agree that 5...Bg4 is the most challenging response to 5.Bd3 (I have often used that sideline with White).

Some could say I'm old-fashioned but I too tend to prefer this approach of the tree structure and citing illustrative examples along the way, rather than working through illustrative games.
  
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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #104 - 04/08/22 at 09:54:35
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RoleyPoley wrote on 04/08/22 at 09:21:58:

While I'm not a fan of the layout

I actually insisted it be done that way. Sorry. I just really like the old tree structure type format.

RoleyPoley wrote on 04/08/22 at 09:21:58:

I really do like the anecdotes, commentary and explanations in the book though. I think they are fantastic (and often make me chuckle).

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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #103 - 04/08/22 at 09:21:58
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RoleyPoley wrote on 04/05/22 at 19:20:08:
I'll work on the Ruy Lopez chapter first and most likely the two knights next, then take it from there.


Interesting. First 3 games online I'm playing with this repertoire and I'm playing 3 games in the two knights - 2 with 4. Ng5 and one with d3. "Lets have a bit of Hooliganism"  Grin

I've been planning on returning to playing 1.e4 next season too. I'm already changing one of my lines because of this book (and I guess Lokander because it is a shared line but I haven't started looking at that properly yet).

While I'm not a fan of the layout, I appreciate the current choice packs in a lot more information which I will benefit from when I get more experienced in these lines (and adds value for the stronger players reading it such as those responding in this thread!). 

I really do like the anecdotes, commentary and explanations in the book though. I think they are fantastic (and often make me chuckle).
  

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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #102 - 04/08/22 at 07:18:21
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PANFR wrote on 04/06/22 at 21:50:17:

Hi. Could this be helpful?


Certainly interesting to me. So 9...Qe8 wasn't a new move after all.

PANFR wrote on 04/06/22 at 22:01:28:
I also thought that the Jaenisch is perfectly playable with that 4.Nc3 fxe4 5.Nxe4 Nf6 line, but the resulting positions are pretty boring technical crap, where Black is just playing for a draw. The discovery that 5...d5 is playable as well is simply great, because I have rejected the idea, although I was aware of Nisipeanu's idea. Admittedly I was pretty lazy analysing, and I am glad that you did such a great job working on it.

It always helps to have the motivation to defend a key part of your repertoire Smiley. I've now played 15 games with 9 Nxa7+ Bd7 10 Bxd7+ Nxd7 11 f4 Qf5 btw: W6 D9 L0. And in the engine contests at chess.com, CCC16 (2021-22) saw 20 games with 11...Qf5, all drawn.

PANFR wrote on 04/06/22 at 22:01:28:
Regarding the Polerio, I had worked a bit on the 5.Na5 6.Bb5+ Bd7!? line, and my verdict was that it's equal, but IMO your Ulvestad suggestion is at least as good, easier, and more fun to play.

Yes, even my main line of the Ulvestad seems sound, though not if you play like a complete idiiot:


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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #101 - 04/06/22 at 22:01:28
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Jonathan Tait wrote on 03/30/22 at 09:17:45:
PANFR wrote on 03/30/22 at 05:57:47:
I just got this myself. It's a wonderful piece of work. 
As a former Jaenisch and Ulvestad player, I am thrilled to see that these old darlings of mine do hold up under close scrutiny.


Thanks very much. Glad you like it Smiley. And yes, I think the Ulvestad and Jaenisch are perfectly sound.


I also thought that the Jaenisch is perfectly playable with that 4.Nc3 fxe4 5.Nxe4 Nf6 line, but the resulting positions are pretty boring technical crap, where Black is just playing for a draw. The discovery that 5...d5 is playable as well is simply great, because I have rejected the idea, although I was aware of Nisipeanu's idea. Admittedly I was pretty lazy analysing, and I am glad that you did such a great job working on it.
Regarding the Polerio, I had worked a bit on the 5.Na5 6.Bb5+ Bd7!? line, and my verdict was that it's equal, but IMO your Ulvestad suggestion is at least as good, easier, and more fun to play.
  
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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #100 - 04/06/22 at 21:50:17
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IMJohnCox wrote on 04/05/22 at 21:51:12:
I must say I'm lost in admiration at JT's achievement in becoming a CC IM while playing this stuff. The one I'm finding most improbable in internet blitz is 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Nc3 Bc5; I've yet to emerge from the opening with anything resembling a playable position. What's the trick?!



Hi. Could this be helpful?



I could probably play better at some point, but not sure at all where. IMO Black never had any serious problems in this game.
  
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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #99 - 04/06/22 at 09:38:38
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IMJohnCox wrote on 04/05/22 at 21:51:12:
I must say I'm lost in admiration at JT's achievement in becoming a CC IM while playing this stuff.


It was 20 years ago. Engines were nowhere near as strong. But really I got the title on the back of lines like 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 Bb5+ Bd7 4 a4 as White Wink

IMJohnCox wrote on 04/05/22 at 21:51:12:
The one I'm finding most improbable in internet blitz is 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Nc3 Bc5; I've yet to emerge from the opening with anything resembling a playable position. What's the trick?!


Follow GM Romanishin's example and prepare the opening really well. White's position is certainly easier to play otherwise, which blitz will only emphasize.
  

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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #98 - 04/05/22 at 21:51:12
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I must say I'm lost in admiration at JT's achievement in becoming a CC IM while playing this stuff. The one I'm finding most improbable in internet blitz is 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Nc3 Bc5; I've yet to emerge from the opening with anything resembling a playable position. What's the trick?!
  
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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #97 - 04/05/22 at 19:20:08
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Thanks Jon, AOC, it is interesting how opening tastes differ slightly in different places.

I'll work on the Ruy Lopez chapter first and most likely the two knights next, then take it from there.
  

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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #96 - 04/02/22 at 14:16:06
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Yes, those two lines are almost lost for Black, that’s why I was hoping 🥺
I used to play the Traxler or Fritz/Ulvestad, and
avoiding all those “playing for two results” types and their Giuoco pianissimo and Scotch gambits is top priority (Coffee-house rep is sure to add to the latter category).
Looking forward to see what the book brings.
  
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