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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #125 - 04/27/22 at 06:34:45
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SWJediknight wrote on 04/26/22 at 19:56:14:
MNb wrote on 04/26/22 at 16:42:17:
My copy arrived today. A first glance taught me it's great fun. Missing: the Ponziani and the Göring Gambit.
Nitpicking: neither the Danes nor GM Mieses deserve the credit. The Swedish diplomat Hans Anton Westesson Lindehn does, if alone for beating WIlhelm Steinitz with it. Few games by Lindehn survived, but it's safe to assume he played it quite often.

The Ponziani and the Göring Gambit are covered, at least in the ChessBase version of the book that I've mainly been referring to (where they're covered in database numbers 59-64).  Against the Ponziani he gives 3...d5 4.Qa4 f6 and 4.Bb5 dxe4 5.Nxe5 Qg5.  Against the Göring he gives 4...d5 and, if White allows it, the Capablanca Variation.


They are also in the physical book. Chapter six.
  
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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #124 - 04/26/22 at 19:56:14
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MNb wrote on 04/26/22 at 16:42:17:
My copy arrived today. A first glance taught me it's great fun. Missing: the Ponziani and the Göring Gambit.
Nitpicking: neither the Danes nor GM Mieses deserve the credit. The Swedish diplomat Hans Anton Westesson Lindehn does, if alone for beating WIlhelm Steinitz with it. Few games by Lindehn survived, but it's safe to assume he played it quite often.

The Ponziani and the Göring Gambit are covered, at least in the ChessBase version of the book that I've mainly been referring to (where they're covered in database numbers 59-64).  Against the Ponziani he gives 3...d5 4.Qa4 f6 and 4.Bb5 dxe4 5.Nxe5 Qg5.  Against the Göring he gives 4...d5 and, if White allows it, the Capablanca Variation.
  
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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #123 - 04/26/22 at 16:42:17
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My copy arrived today. A first glance taught me it's great fun. Missing: the Ponziani and the Göring Gambit.
Nitpicking: neither the Danes nor GM Mieses deserve the credit. The Swedish diplomat Hans Anton Westesson Lindehn does, if alone for beating WIlhelm Steinitz with it. Few games by Lindehn survived, but it's safe to assume he played it quite often.
  
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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #122 - 04/22/22 at 15:41:10
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Jonathan Tait wrote on 04/22/22 at 11:11:41:


As you'll see, I give 4...bxc6!? in that line.


4... dxc6 always felt pretty ok but 4... bxc6 also looks pretty interesting. Looking forward to seeing your work.
  
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Reply #121 - 04/22/22 at 11:11:41
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Varananan wrote on 04/22/22 at 09:40:58:
Ordered the book.


Nice one. Thanks Smiley

Varananan wrote on 04/22/22 at 09:40:58:
Curiously enough I also get a lot of 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5  f5 4. Bxc6 dxc6 5. Nxe5 Qd4 6. Qh5+ g6 7. Nxg6 in the Jaenisch


As you'll see, I give 4...bxc6!? in that line.
  
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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #120 - 04/22/22 at 11:09:28
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RoleyPoley wrote on 04/22/22 at 09:32:36:
Quick update.

I misplayed one of the Ng5 games, but thankfully so did my opponent and it's become a fried liver attack declined. We're 13 moves in and I'm now a pawn and an exchange up, with the two bishops and my opponents pawn structure is a mess (iso pawns on d3, b3 and b2). I'm not sure I see good squares for at least 2 of white's remaining pieces. It's followed one of the lines given in the book.

The other two two knights games are also still ongoing. Closer affairs but still following book lines.

I've now also got two Ruy Lopez's just starting up and am keen to see how those go as they look like they can get a bit hairy!.


Post them here when you're done Smiley
  
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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #119 - 04/22/22 at 09:40:58
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Ordered the book. Have been playing Ulvenstad and the Jaenisch as a very average player for a while and I think I only met Bf1 once in 29 Ulvenstad games. Curiously enough I also get a lot of 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5  f5 4. Bxc6 dxc6 5. Nxe5 Qd4 6. Qh5+ g6 7. Nxg6 in the Jaenisch (7 out of 86 games). Like I said: very middling level.
  
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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #118 - 04/22/22 at 09:32:36
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RoleyPoley wrote on 04/08/22 at 09:21:58:
nteresting. First 3 games online I'm playing with this repertoire and I'm playing 3 games in the two knights - 2 with 4. Ng5 and one with d3. "Lets have a bit of Hooliganism"  Grin


Quick update.

I misplayed one of the Ng5 games, but thankfully so did my opponent and it's become a fried liver attack declined. We're 13 moves in and I'm now a pawn and an exchange up, with the two bishops and my opponents pawn structure is a mess (iso pawns on d3, b3 and b2). I'm not sure I see good squares for at least 2 of white's remaining pieces. It's followed one of the lines given in the book.

The other two two knights games are also still ongoing. Closer affairs but still following book lines.

I've now also got two Ruy Lopez's just starting up and am keen to see how those go as they look like they can get a bit hairy!.

No other games against 1.e4 yet
  
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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #117 - 04/22/22 at 07:59:19
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Kerangali wrote on 04/21/22 at 09:39:33:
What's the attraction of the ...Qh4 Scotch? with White I'm always happy to give a pawn for misplaced and uncomfortable king. What's Black idea, to survive and hold the pawn? if so, it looks a bit like the infamous sicilian line repeatedly played by Sveshnikov (the father) with White: 1. e4 c5 2.f4 d5 3.exd5 Nf6 4.c4 e6 5.dxe6 Bxe6. Only his extensive practice could overcome the defects in his position.
Regarding 3...Qe7 against the Danish, one has to be careful when recommending it. Black clearly wins the e-pawn but White's activity is certain. When showing the move to scholars it's almost always a disaster for Black. Is it much different with preparation?


Valid questions – which could be asked about pretty much the entire book. Basically, you either want to play this sort of thing or you don't Wink
  
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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #116 - 04/22/22 at 07:45:43
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IMJohnCox wrote on 04/21/22 at 03:20:50:
Thanks, Jonathan and PANFR. I'm managing better with the 3 Knights now. Next step is to persuade myself that 4...Qh4 against the Scotch is really a goer - though I've done OK so far.


Naturally I'd be very interested to see any of these games Smiley
  
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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #115 - 04/21/22 at 09:39:33
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What's the attraction of the ...Qh4 Scotch? with White I'm always happy to give a pawn for misplaced and uncomfortable king. What's Black idea, to survive and hold the pawn? if so, it looks a bit like the infamous sicilian line repeatedly played by Sveshnikov (the father) with White: 1. e4 c5 2.f4 d5 3.exd5 Nf6 4.c4 e6 5.dxe6 Bxe6. Only his extensive practice could overcome the defects in his position.
Regarding 3...Qe7 against the Danish, one has to be careful when recommending it. Black clearly wins the e-pawn but White's activity is certain. When showing the move to scholars it's almost always a disaster for Black. Is it much different with preparation?
  
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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #114 - 04/21/22 at 03:20:50
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Thanks, Jonathan and PANFR. I'm managing better with the 3 Knights now. Next step is to persuade myself that 4...Qh4 against the Scotch is really a goer - though I've done OK so far.
  
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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #113 - 04/15/22 at 09:40:30
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a couple of games from yesterday...





shame they both went for the same line as White, but I suppose you can't have everything


EDIT: now blogified Smiley
https://200opengames.blogspot.com/2022/04/076-testing-theory-2.html
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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #112 - 04/11/22 at 12:54:36
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cathexis wrote on 04/09/22 at 22:38:09:
I wanted to ask what, if anything, Jonathan covers in the King's Gambit? In particular, the Quaade? Asking since it is featured in the Shaw book.

King's Gambit: 2 f4 exf4 and variiously 3 Nf3 h5, 3 Bc4 f5, 3 Nc3 Qh4+, 3 Be2 f5, 3 Qf3 Nc6, 3 d4 Qh4+.

As Jedi says, one line of the Quaade is covered via the Vienna: 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 f4 exf4 4 Nf3 g5 5 g3 with 5...Bg7 as a simple solution for Black.
  
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Re: A disreputable opening repertoire by Jonathan Tait
Reply #111 - 04/11/22 at 12:53:35
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SWJediknight wrote on 04/09/22 at 11:30:04:
It took me longer than I expected to buy this, as I've been busy.  With being a fan of this general approach to openings and having 1...e5 as one of my two main responses to 1.e4 (my other favourite, 1...d5 and the Smerdon's Scandinavian stuff, is in a similar vein), though, I couldn't pass it up.

thanks Smiley

SWJediknight wrote on 04/09/22 at 11:30:04:
Also, as someone who has studied the Danish and Göring Gambits extensively, I think 3...Qe7!? is a very good recommendation against the Danish, essentially accepting the gambit but on Black's terms rather than White's.

3...Qe7 also fits in with 4...Qh4 in the Scotch though is probably better than that Wink
  
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