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Re: is the English the best opening to become GM?
Reply #13 - 03/29/22 at 11:34:42
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Broadly on topic, I think the English is a pragmatic choice for taking on weaker players in Swiss tournaments, especially if you play it 'system-style'. You play the same setup almost every game, have massive experience of the resultant positions, save a lot of nervous energy and avoid any sort of resolution or simplification and play on autopilot for 20 moves or so while your opponent jumps at shadows. It's a pretty pragmatic way of playing. The sweet spot for this sort of thing is probably around FM level, I would guess (to the extent that any such breezy generalisations can be said to apply).
  

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Re: is the English the best opening to become GM?
Reply #12 - 03/28/22 at 22:48:08
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ChessIsWar wrote on 03/28/22 at 19:57:55:
TD wrote on 03/28/22 at 13:15:36:
ChessIsWar wrote on 03/27/22 at 20:24:18:
Just found this interesting transposition, too. I like white a lot here: 

1.g3 g6 2.Bg2 Bg7 3.c4 e5 4.Nc3 d6 5.d3 f5 6.e4 Nf6 7.Nge2 Nc6 8.0-0 0-0 9.Nd5 – English Opening, Botvinnik System (ECO A26)

ChessIsWar, I guess you own (or know) Kosten's and Marin's works about the Botvinnik System? And maybe others, like Soltis, Williams & Palliser and Burgess' An Idiot-Proof Chess Opening Repertoire ?


I am completely unstudied in these works lol. I'm 40, have been playing on and off since my early 30's and although I've studied far more than most people in my shoes, I haven't dug into books + OTB work as deeply as I should. That's next on my list of to do's.

If you hit the books, I would start with Kosten or Burgess as they are both fairly short, and both are available as ebooks if that's your thing. Kosten's book has great explanations of strategy, though Burgess' book is more recent and should be more up-to-date. There may be some overlap with Sielecki's course, though in the main lines Sielecki actually went for a rarer setup with an early Rb1 and Bd2 instead of this Botvinnik system with d3 and e4.

Of course, ChessPublishing has more than two decades' worth of updates on the Botvinnik system and all other kinds of English after Kosten's book, both by the boss himself and by other columnists!

The Williams and Palliser course on the Botvinnik system should also be good if you like Chessable's training features, though I haven't seen it myself.

The three Marin books on 2.g3 in the English are massive and I've never studied them apart from looking up his answers to my Black defences. They were praised when they came out, and Marin is one of my favorite authors based on other works, but some say he was too optimistic for the White side in many places there.

ChessIsWar wrote on 03/28/22 at 19:56:43:

I would imagine you mean this, which basically goes hand in hand with the ebook I already linked: 

https://chess24.com/en/learn/advanced/video/the-english-opening/english-opening-...

I have a Chess24 premium so I have access to this. I haven't completed the entire course yet but so far, I think anyone would appreciate it.

This Sielecki course was also ported to Chessable - it was one of the first courses they had by a titled player. I have it, but I can't remember now if it got a straight port or some minor updates.

Sadly the course is "unpublished" on Chessable now. You can't buy it there anymore - you either have it or you don't.
  

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Re: is the English the best opening to become GM?
Reply #11 - 03/28/22 at 20:39:11
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Re: is the English the best opening to become GM?
Reply #10 - 03/28/22 at 19:57:55
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TD wrote on 03/28/22 at 13:15:36:
ChessIsWar wrote on 03/27/22 at 20:24:18:
Just found this interesting transposition, too. I like white a lot here: 

1.g3 g6 2.Bg2 Bg7 3.c4 e5 4.Nc3 d6 5.d3 f5 6.e4 Nf6 7.Nge2 Nc6 8.0-0 0-0 9.Nd5 – English Opening, Botvinnik System (ECO A26)

ChessIsWar, I guess you own (or know) Kosten's and Marin's works about the Botvinnik System? And maybe others, like Soltis, Williams & Palliser and Burgess' An Idiot-Proof Chess Opening Repertoire ?


I am completely unstudied in these works lol. I'm 40, have been playing on and off since my early 30's and although I've studied far more than most people in my shoes, I haven't dug into books + OTB work as deeply as I should. That's next on my list of to do's.
  
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Re: is the English the best opening to become GM?
Reply #9 - 03/28/22 at 19:56:43
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TD wrote on 03/28/22 at 13:09:41:
ChessIsWar wrote on 03/27/22 at 20:04:10:
https://chess24.com/en/learn/advanced/ebook/english-opening-1-c4

I'm an improving adult and I've been playing the English for many games now over the past couple of months. I like it and I feel that it has the potential for both positional and tactical play. 1.c4 and then regardless of what black plays, 2.g3, and go from there.

ChessIsWar, do you own Sielecki's course? What do you think of it?

You can also sometimes play 2.Nc3 or even 2.Nf3 to get more variety in your play.


I would imagine you mean this, which basically goes hand in hand with the ebook I already linked: 

https://chess24.com/en/learn/advanced/video/the-english-opening/english-opening-...

I have a Chess24 premium so I have access to this. I haven't completed the entire course yet but so far, I think anyone would appreciate it.
  
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Re: is the English the best opening to become GM?
Reply #8 - 03/28/22 at 13:15:36
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ChessIsWar wrote on 03/27/22 at 20:24:18:
Just found this interesting transposition, too. I like white a lot here: 

1.g3 g6 2.Bg2 Bg7 3.c4 e5 4.Nc3 d6 5.d3 f5 6.e4 Nf6 7.Nge2 Nc6 8.0-0 0-0 9.Nd5 – English Opening, Botvinnik System (ECO A26)

ChessIsWar, I guess you own (or know) Kosten's and Marin's works about the Botvinnik System? And maybe others, like Soltis, Williams & Palliser and Burgess' An Idiot-Proof Chess Opening Repertoire ?
  
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Re: is the English the best opening to become GM?
Reply #7 - 03/28/22 at 13:09:41
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ChessIsWar wrote on 03/27/22 at 20:04:10:
https://chess24.com/en/learn/advanced/ebook/english-opening-1-c4

I'm an improving adult and I've been playing the English for many games now over the past couple of months. I like it and I feel that it has the potential for both positional and tactical play. 1.c4 and then regardless of what black plays, 2.g3, and go from there.

ChessIsWar, do you own Sielecki's course? What do you think of it?

You can also sometimes play 2.Nc3 or even 2.Nf3 to get more variety in your play.
  
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Re: is the English the best opening to become GM?
Reply #6 - 03/28/22 at 12:17:33
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THX, Konstrictor!
  
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Re: is the English the best opening to become GM?
Reply #5 - 03/27/22 at 20:24:18
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Just found this interesting transposition, too. I like white a lot here: 

1.g3 g6 2.Bg2 Bg7 3.c4 e5 4.Nc3 d6 5.d3 f5 6.e4 Nf6 7.Nge2 Nc6 8.0-0 0-0 9.Nd5 – English Opening, Botvinnik System (ECO A26)
  
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Re: is the English the best opening to become GM?
Reply #4 - 03/27/22 at 20:04:10
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https://chess24.com/en/learn/advanced/ebook/english-opening-1-c4

I'm an improving adult and I've been playing the English for many games now over the past couple of months. I like it and I feel that it has the potential for both positional and tactical play. 1.c4 and then regardless of what black plays, 2.g3, and go from there.
  
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Re: is the English the best opening to become GM?
Reply #3 - 03/27/22 at 14:31:16
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@Cathexis
The 1st edition was from Spanish GM Jesus de la Villa and that was centered around the English Attack vs many of the Black Sicilians to give the white repertoire a coherent approach and which makes it easier to learn and apply.
The 1st edition was quite well received I think, but I have no experience with it.

The 2nd edition was promoted (I strongly dislike NewinChess marketing...) as an updated version of the 1st, but in fact it was a totally new repertoire with no English Attack at all. Due to the fact it was not an update it had gotten some undeservedly bad reviews, while those reviews did not look at the good work Illingworth made.

But Illingworth put together an excellent repertoire for white against all black Sicilians.
Although I think the book was really good it was pretty tough for me to work through because Illingworth (to his credit!) managed to put so much into it. But that does make it harder to navigate.

And what also might peek FMCharles interest, he ends each chapter with a centipawns evaluation for the different variations  Cheesy

If you want to pick up the Open Sicilian as white for the first time I'd go for the 1st edition (probably still available secondhand). If you have some more experience with the Open Sicilian I'd go for the second edition.
  
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Re: is the English the best opening to become GM?
Reply #2 - 03/27/22 at 13:42:16
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@Konstrictor,

Do you have any thoughts on which edition of Illingworth's Dismantling the Sicilian? There seems to be some criticism of the most recent edition, but I have no experience with either.
  
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Re: is the English the best opening to become GM?
Reply #1 - 03/27/22 at 08:21:58
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Shouldn't you develop your "skillset of skills" as a player to become a GM instead of looking for ways to avoid critical lines?
I think Topnotch wrote here (or on Chessable) that many amateurs make the mistake of avoiding certain openings if they encounter problems in certain lines and then they switch for the umpteenth time (I did that too...  Embarrassed) instead of tackling their opening problems.

Mastering the Open Sicilian as white is the way to go I'd say.
It is definitely tough, but it sure is rewarding.

The sun is shining.
Get a good book on the Open Siclian like Illingworths Dismantling the Siclian. Get board and pieces out.
Find a nice spot in the park, study and enjoy!

And don't forget your umbrella for the pigeons!
  
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is the English the best opening to become GM?
03/27/22 at 05:10:34
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is the English the best opening to become GM?

in my personal experience, I stopped playing 1.e4 because of the Sicilian. The sicilian requires a specific skillset of skills to play correctly as white.

1.d4 is an interesting move choice for me in theory because you can learn all the sidelines people play versus 1.d4 and pocket the points at tournaments. then you have the major replies like the KID, Nimzo, Grunfeld, Benonis and Dutches plus QGD. I consider the QGA a sideline.


then there is 1.c4 of which there are many flavors, and you could play anti-mainline systems versus the KID, Nimzo, Grunfeld, Dutches, and QGD's. In otherwords, you dont transpose to d4 lines, you play English flavored anti-systems to these major openings.

I also find in the English many opportunities to have white play something different to avoid preparation from opponents, for instance in the 4 knights english 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Nf3 Nc6 white now has a3 d3 d4 e3 e4 and g3!

he seems to have a lot of this in many lines.

to add, I find that in the English, there are many move orders where black could find himself having misplaced pieces. for instance in the KID setups vs the English, the knight is misplaced on f6 when it should be behind the f5 pawn as opposed to infront.
  
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