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Re: NIC 8.g4 Competition Chat Thread
Reply #15 - 10/05/09 at 16:30:51
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Markovich wrote on 10/05/09 at 14:10:21:
So pardon my confusion, where are the original terms of the competition?

It should be the thread just below or above: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1253926483
  
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Re: NIC 8.g4 Competition Chat Thread
Reply #14 - 10/05/09 at 14:45:06
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 10/05/09 at 14:05:31:
Regarding Papageno's 8...Nbd7 suggestion, the bishop starts to look a bit silly on h4 when Black plays ...Ne4 (or ...Nd5), so maybe White should capture immediately: 9 Bxf6

Wink But "it's a fun line", as Peter Heine Nielsen put it in the main thread (for Markovich: www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1253926483 ). And where is the fun, if White can't sacrifice the Bh4 at the appropriate moment by g5xh6? - Oh wait, P. H. Nielsen had played Bxf6 himself. Maybe for GMs it is fun, if the opponent doesn't have any? 
  
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Re: NIC 8.g4 Competition Chat Thread
Reply #13 - 10/05/09 at 14:10:21
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 09/26/09 at 01:04:16:
Chat here! Smiley


So pardon my confusion, where are the original terms of the competition?
  

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Re: NIC 8.g4 Competition Chat Thread
Reply #12 - 10/05/09 at 14:05:31
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Regarding Papageno's 8...Nbd7 suggestion, the bishop starts to look a bit silly on h4 when Black plays ...Ne4 (or ...Nd5), so maybe White should capture immediately: 9 Bxf6 Nxf6 and now not 10 g5, but rather 10 Rg1 (or 10 Ne5), followed by h4 and then g5. Undecided
  
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Re: NIC 8.g4 Competition Chat Thread
Reply #11 - 10/01/09 at 07:45:46
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gewgaw wrote on 09/30/09 at 18:44:15:
Nomination #1 - 10.g5!, which obviously leads to an advantage for white Wink


gewgaw,
I don't want to be the spoil sport but my impression is that strictly speaking this is a novelty but possibly there is not much of an improvement over the Nielsen game.
  • Nielsen-Georgiev was 10.h4 Bb7 11.g5 hxg5
  • and you proposed 10.g5 hxg5 11.h4 when Bb7 (not mentioned in your analysis) reaches the same position of their game.
So on the one hand your new move only gives some extra opportunities at move 11 to Black. On the other hand you might argue that these alternatives are new traps for Black to fall into. I'm not yet decided which view to take here.
  
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Re: NIC 8.g4 Competition Chat Thread
Reply #10 - 09/30/09 at 22:16:23
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Well I have an idea to bury this wannabe-Keres move directly Grin
Problem atm is that I can't really analyse with a computer, so there may be an obvious error with my idea. Should still take a few days before I have looked at it enough.

Should I then post it here or in the other thread?
  

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Reply #9 - 09/30/09 at 20:33:46
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AlanG wrote on 09/30/09 at 19:59:27:
gewgaw, in your nomination there's one sub variation, to which you've given no evaluation:

11...g4 12. Ng5 Bb7 13. Rg1 Bxg5 14. hxg5 Qxg5 15. Rxg4 Qf6

I think this may be Black's best reply. Can you show an advantage for White here?


damn u r right; I´ve to check it again; would be a pity, if it didnt work.
  

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Re: NIC 8.g4 Competition Chat Thread
Reply #8 - 09/30/09 at 19:59:27
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gewgaw, in your nomination there's one sub variation, to which you've given no evaluation:

11...g4 12. Ng5 Bb7 13. Rg1 Bxg5 14. hxg5 Qxg5 15. Rxg4 Qf6

I think this may be Black's best reply. Can you show an advantage for White here?
  
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Re: NIC 8.g4 Competition Chat Thread
Reply #7 - 09/30/09 at 18:44:15
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Nomination #1 - 10.g5!, which obviously leads to an advantage for white Wink
I hope we see more nominations in the next days and not at the end of october, after all this is a forum to discuss about ideas.
  

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Re: NIC 8.g4 Competition Chat Thread
Reply #6 - 09/28/09 at 11:39:42
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gewgaw wrote on 09/26/09 at 13:33:09:
Nevertheless I find the priZe-policy quite strange:

I suppose the simplest is to give the 2nd prize-winner the choice between 2 and 3.
  
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Re: NIC 8.g4 Competition Chat Thread
Reply #5 - 09/28/09 at 00:05:26
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gewgaw wrote on 09/26/09 at 13:33:09:
2nd: A copy of your choice of SOS - Price: € 19,95
3rd: a copy of The Chebanenko Slav According to Bologan Price: € 24,95


Interesting, maybe they intended these to be the other way around and I mistakenly swapped them, or maybe having a choice with the SOS book is worth more than 5 Euros?! Roll Eyes
  
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Re: NIC 8.g4 Competition Chat Thread
Reply #4 - 09/26/09 at 13:33:09
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Well, there is a proverb:
Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth!

Nevertheless I find the priZe-policy quite strange:

The most interesting ideas will be selected by New in Chess and the winners will receive the following prizes:
1st: A year's subscription to the NIC Yearbook- --> great!
2nd: A copy of your choice of SOS - Price: € 19,95
3rd: a copy of The Chebanenko Slav According to Bologan Price: € 24,95

  

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Re: NIC 8.g4 Competition Chat Thread
Reply #3 - 09/26/09 at 11:26:19
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TN wrote on 09/26/09 at 01:12:15:
Secondly, I have a question: If you make a nomination and then withdraw it, can another person submit your old nomination with more detailed analysis?

In the first (French) competition TN had put a similar question; my reply was:

Stefan Buecker wrote on 04/01/09 at 09:13:28:
In your case - member A nominates 21.a4, but later drops the idea (perhaps because B gave a refutation), and then C declares that he nominates 21.a4 - member C has to explain what his contribution to the idea 21.a4 is. This may vary from a weak "but I still like 21.a4" that won't earn him many votes, to an ingenious cure of B's "refutation". In the latter case C may in fact have a chance.

The situation now is slightly different, with the NIC staff deciding instead of the poll. But shouldn't we trust on the NIC staff's ability to tell a good idea from a bad? Start worrying about their qualification only when you've actually found two promising ideas!

I like the new topic very much, and what I like even more is that they apparently forgot to exclude me from participation.
  
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Re: NIC 8.g4 Competition Chat Thread
Reply #2 - 09/26/09 at 10:34:57
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TN wrote on 09/26/09 at 01:12:15:
Secondly, I have a question: If you make a nomination and then withdraw it, can another person submit your old nomination with more detailed analysis? Alternatively, can you submit a nomination which refutes a new idea (either suggested in the survey or in this thread)?


I'm not really sure about the first, did this ever happen during the previous competitions? For the second, I don't see why you shouldn't be able to nominate a refutation of a new idea.
Anyway, basically we are looking for new ideas, and the rules are the same as for the previous competitions.
  
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Re: NIC 8.g4 Competition Chat Thread
Reply #1 - 09/26/09 at 01:12:15
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Firstly, thank you to New In Chess for setting up the competition and choosing what is in my opinion a very interesting subject for the competition!

Secondly, I have a question: If you make a nomination and then withdraw it, can another person submit your old nomination with more detailed analysis? Alternatively, can you submit a nomination which refutes a new idea (either suggested in the survey or in this thread)?

PS: Thanks!
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