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Re: Dutch Leningrad 7-,Nc6
Reply #13 - 10/28/06 at 23:33:47
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The Foxy openings Video on the Leningrad deals almost entirely with Nc6 and then Ne5, and Chess Theory volume 3 from Sept 1993 from Luccioni. And the Informator booklet of Gurevich.
  
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Re: Dutch Leningrad 7-,Nc6
Reply #12 - 10/28/06 at 20:39:27
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I looked a bit further, and you might also be interested in this thread   
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1066575696/30

I'm not sure, but it seems that Dragonslayer (in that thread) = Michael A. Jensen, the author of the NIC articles I think MNb refers to
http://www.newinchess.com/Archives/SurveysList.aspx?AuthorID=1090 ;

So he should know what he's talking about, I guess.


You're correct. Dragonslayer=Michael Agermose Jensen.
  
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Re: Dutch Leningrad 7-,Nc6
Reply #11 - 10/20/06 at 20:36:07
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Spanish and Italian books suggested...  Smiley Tongue

I already own some russian books, but this may be almost as difficult...
But I guess any good chess book can be read in any language  Smiley
  
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Re: Dutch Leningrad 7-,Nc6
Reply #10 - 10/19/06 at 14:16:42
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Yes, there is a lack of a "modern" book on the Nc6 line.  McDonald's book is ok but a lot more comprehensive in terms of content (but no verbals) is the 1994 sl EDITRICE book by Massimo Luccioni. It is more up to date than Bellin's book (or Harding's exellent book, De Vault's, Ehlvest's or Ivkov+Skoko's efforts). Of little use is the 1997 book by Hall + Cartier (Hays).

Neither Pedersen, Beim or Kindermann have the Nc6 line in their books, though all 3 books are well worth having. Wink
  
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Re: Dutch Leningrad 7-,Nc6
Reply #9 - 10/19/06 at 08:03:31
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Takk TJ!

...men for å betale >100$ skal man være rimelig desperat...
Kanskje like greit å holde seg til 7-,De8  Smiley


7-Sc6 är både enklare och roligare att spela, och inte ens Kindermann har väl alltför bra facit med De8 nuförtiden...

När jag själv gick från De8 till Sc6 hade jag bara två källor, Taimanovs Sportverlagbok och Luccionis editricebok om enbart 7.-Sc6. Och bara det var mer än tillräckligt! Den senare är nog utgången och dyr nuförtiden, men har man ECO A så får man antagligen med sig det viktigaste...

Andra författare som också nämner Sc6 är: Hardings bok (tror jag iaf), De Vault, Ehlvest, Gurevichs A86-A89 och till sist Christiansen & Silman men dessa två ger en ganska styvmoderlig bild...
  
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Dutch Leningrad 7-,Nc6
Reply #8 - 10/18/06 at 22:11:49
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Viking,

Oscar De la Riva's "Defensa Holandesa (Leningrado)", Evajedrez 2001, has got a chapter (16 pages, after 8.d5 there is coverage of 8... Ne5 but not 8...Na5) on 7...Nc6 (but two chapters on 7 ... c6 and several more on 7...Qe8).

I guess such a relatively slim coverage  may not give you much you did not already know but I'll be happy to copy the pages for you if you would be interested.  To give you a flavour the author thinks that a game U. Andersson - J. De la Riva, Pamplona 1998, which continued 9.Qb3  is troubling for black (at least if U.A commands the white pieces)

Best wishes, Sören Jensen

ps ... så kläm nu i med en verkligt sju-sjungande vals!
  
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Re: Dutch Leningrad 7-,Nc6
Reply #7 - 10/18/06 at 15:46:56
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Takk TJ!

...men for å betale >100$ skal man være rimelig desperat...
Kanskje like greit å holde seg til 7-,De8  Smiley
  
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Re: Dutch Leningrad 7-,Nc6
Reply #6 - 10/18/06 at 14:53:11
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Btw, Bellin's old "Winning with the dutch" seams to be another possibility - although that may be hard to find... Have to check it out.




Hittade nyss en sajt för bokletande, men tyvärr verkar Bellins bok vara hiskeligt dyr nuförtiden! Cry

http://www.find-out-of-print-books-online.info/
  
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Re: Dutch Leningrad 7-,Nc6
Reply #5 - 10/17/06 at 17:42:43
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Takk Knut!

The thread you found was interesting not only for Nc6!? but also for the dutch system as a whole...

Seams like McDonalds book is the only one covering 7-,Nc6 to some extent (besides NIC), is still easy available AND to a "normal" price...

Btw, Bellin's old "Winning with the dutch" seams to be another possibility - although that may be hard to find... Have to check it out.



  
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Re: Dutch Leningrad 7-,Nc6
Reply #4 - 10/16/06 at 06:45:38
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I looked a bit further, and you might also be interested in this thread   
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1066575696/30

I'm not sure, but it seems that Dragonslayer (in that thread) = Michael A. Jensen, the author of the NIC articles I think MNb refers to
http://www.newinchess.com/Archives/SurveysList.aspx?AuthorID=1090 ;

So he should know what he's talking about, I guess.
  
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Re: Dutch Leningrad 7-,Nc6
Reply #3 - 10/16/06 at 06:29:24
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Hi again Viking 

I haven't got it myself, but it seems that Neil McDOnald's book "Dutch Leningrad" covers 7...Nc6. See chapter 4 in this table of contents (from https://www.niggemann.com/Buecher/4037.html). Amazon.co.uk probably has it too. 


008 Bibliography 

009 Introduction 

017 1 Main Line: 7...Qe8 8 d5 

032 2 Main Line: 7...Qe8 without 8 d5 

048 3 Main Line: 7...c6 8 d5 e5 

057 4 Main Line: 7...Sc6 

080 5 White plays an early b2-b3: Standard systems 

093 6 White plays an early b2-b3: the Leningrad Stonewall 

104 7 White plays Nh3 

121 8 White plays c2-c3 

134 9 Odds and Ends 

142 Index of Complete Games 


He also briefly mentions the Nc6 variation in his starting out book on the dutch. It might be the most aggressive black choice. 



  
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Re: Dutch Leningrad 7-,Nc6
Reply #2 - 10/16/06 at 06:21:09
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Thanks Mnb,

I will have to dig in the archives to try to find that "lost" thread then...

When it comes to NIC yearbooks....; I dont own any of them (too many sicilians++ that i have no interest in...) but isnt that just a collection of commented games? Or is it on a level like articles in e.g. the SOS books?
  
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Re: Dutch Leningrad 7-,Nc6
Reply #1 - 10/16/06 at 01:37:27
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Both Schwarz, 1964 and Taimanov, 1980, treated 7...Nc6 as the main variation. I also remember an article in one of the NIC-yearbooks. It has been debated here, but the thread seems to have disappeared. Taimanov gave 8.d5 Na5 9.Qd3 c5 10.Bd2 +=, Bykov-Tolusj, Leningrad 1956. Iirc it was TalJechin, who showed up with an improvement for Black.
  
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Dutch Leningrad 7-,Nc6
10/15/06 at 19:55:52
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Initial moves:
1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.0-0 0-0 6.c4 d6 7.Nc3...

"All" Leningrad books seam to only cover the main line 7-,Qe8 (which is the line I play today btw)  Huh
Are there any books covering the tricky(!?) alterternative 7-,Nc6!?
  
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