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Re: Kaufman's 10.Qd4 in the Evans Gambit
Reply #9 - 08/30/10 at 08:08:45
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Hi, BadPritt's main line 18.Bxe7 line was actually played in the high level correspondence game Le Page - Chripko, ICCF, 2008.(up till move 20), and black was better.
In the sideline 18.Rxe7 
I would go for the less complex and more brutal
18...Bxf2+ (iso Rxf2) 19.Kh1,Bh4! and black regains his piece and retains a healthy plus pawn thx to the back rank mate threat.
  
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Re: Kaufman's 10.Qd4 in the Evans Gambit
Reply #8 - 08/30/10 at 07:18:16
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Bradpritt, 17...0-0! is a great find! Thanks for sharing it! However, I think brabo's 12...Bf5 still may be best.
  
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Re: Kaufman's 10.Qd4 in the Evans Gambit
Reply #7 - 08/30/10 at 06:46:42
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It seems to me black can create his winning chances by going right down the current mainline 8. Ng5 d5 9. exd5 Ne5 10. Qxd4 f6 11. Re1 Bb6 12. Qh4 Nxc4 13. Qxc4 fxg5 14. d6 Qxd6 15. Bxg5 Be6 16. Qxe6 Qxe6 17. Rxe6 and now the surprising 17...0-0!
White can go either 18. Rxe7 Rxf2 19. Be3 Re2 20. Bxb6 Rxe7 21. Bf2 Re2 22. Na3 Rf8 or 18. Bxe7 Rae8 19. Bxf8 Rxe6 20. Kf1 Kxf8 but both lines leave white fighting for a draw.
  
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Re: Kaufman's 10.Qd4 in the Evans Gambit
Reply #6 - 08/25/10 at 07:18:31
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Anonymous3 wrote on 08/25/10 at 03:44:21:
After 14...Bf5 I think White is slightly better with 15 Qb4! Qd6 16 Qb3+! Be6 17 Qxb7 Bd5 18 Qb2 Rab8 19 Qc2 +=.


Nice and remarkable piece of analysis. 5 consequetive queenmoves and white keeps the better position. I've looked at some alternatives but can't come up with a variation which gives black fully equalty. As long queens are on the board, black keeps having problems with his open king.
  
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Re: Kaufman's 10.Qd4 in the Evans Gambit
Reply #5 - 08/25/10 at 03:44:21
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After 14...Bf5 I think White is slightly better with 15 Qb4! Qd6 16 Qb3+! Be6 17 Qxb7 Bd5 18 Qb2 Rab8 19 Qc2 +=.
  
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Re: Kaufman's 10.Qd4 in the Evans Gambit
Reply #4 - 08/24/10 at 21:00:09
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Anonymous3 wrote on 08/24/10 at 19:09:49:
I think 8...Ne5?! gives White a slight advantage: 9 Nxf7! Nxf7 10 Bxf7+ Kxf7 11 Qh5+ g6 12 Qxa5 d5 13 cxd4 dxe4 14 Nc3 Nc6 (Kaufman stops here saying "White's compensation for the pawn looks inadequate) 15 Qa3 Qxd4 16 Rb1 Qc4 17 Nb5 Rd8 18 Nxc7 Rb8 19 Nb5 Kg8 20 Bf4 Rd3 21 Qc1 +=.  

Some recent games confirm your judgement. However is 14... Nc6 really the best? Why not completing development with e.g. 14.. Bf5? I didn't look at it in detail but my first impression is that it seems to hold nicely.
  
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Re: Kaufman's 10.Qd4 in the Evans Gambit
Reply #3 - 08/24/10 at 19:09:49
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I think 8...Ne5?! gives White a slight advantage: 9 Nxf7! Nxf7 10 Bxf7+ Kxf7 11 Qh5+ g6 12 Qxa5 d5 13 cxd4 dxe4 14 Nc3 Nc6 (Kaufman stops here saying "White's compensation for the pawn looks inadequate) 15 Qa3 Qxd4 16 Rb1 Qc4 17 Nb5 Rd8 18 Nxc7 Rb8 19 Nb5 Kg8 20 Bf4 Rd3 21 Qc1 +=.    

I don't think 8...d5 9.exd5 Ne5 10.Qxd4 f6 11.Re1 Bb6 12.Qh4! favors White. I think "Dangerous Weapons: 1 e4 e5" and "Beating the Open Games" recommendation 12...Nxc4 is fine for Black but the main line fizzles out into a boring endgame so I am trying to find a sound alternative for Black that leaves more play in the position. I think brabo's analyis on 12...Bf5 is very interesting. I've had a quick look at it with Rybka 3 and Fritz 11 and my first impression is that 12...Bf5 gives Black a slight advantage! I'm surprised this hasn't gotten any attention. 


  
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Re: Kaufman's 10.Qd4 in the Evans Gambit
Reply #2 - 03/23/07 at 08:19:29
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Justinhorton wrote on 03/17/07 at 09:26:13:
In his repetoire book, Larry Kaufman looks at the line

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 6.d4 exd4 7.0-0 Nge7 8.Ng5

and recommends 8...Ne5 rather than the normal 8...d5.

He does this because according to him, after 

8...d5 9.exd5 Ne5 10.Qxd4 f6 11.Re1 Bb6 12.Qh4! "favours White".

What is the current thinking on this line? The Chess Publishing e-book just gives 8...d5 9.exd5 Ne5 10.Bb3. 

Last year I studied this line a little bit with aid of some computer programs and I came to the conclusion that 12. Qh4 shouldn't give white an advantage if black plays 12..., Bf5 13. Nf3, g5!N 14. Ng5:, N7g6! 15. Qg3, Qd7! 16. Ne6, Be6: 17. de6:, Qc6 18. Be2, 0-0-0 with unclear position.

On the other hand 8.., Ne5 is a more simple and straight forward way to achieve a good position. See 9. Nf7: Nf7: 10. Bf7+:, Kf7: 11. Qh5+, g6 12. Qa5:, d5
  
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Re: Kaufman's 10.Qd4 in the Evans Gambit
Reply #1 - 03/19/07 at 17:13:39
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A great place to start is in www.jeremysilman.com. There is 2-3 very good articles on this line, although it doesn't go into 12. Qh4. But it does explain about very well the attacking chances for white after 10. Qxd4 (I almost switched to 1. e4 so I could play Evans Gambit after reading these articles).
  
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C52: Kaufman's 10.Qd4 in the Evans Gambit
03/17/07 at 09:26:13
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In his repetoire book, Larry Kaufman looks at the line

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 6.d4 exd4 7.0-0 Nge7 8.Ng5

and recommends 8...Ne5 rather than the normal 8...d5.

He does this because according to him, after 

8...d5 9.exd5 Ne5 10.Qxd4 f6 11.Re1 Bb6 12.Qh4! "favours White".

What is the current thinking on this line? The Chess Publishing e-book just gives 8...d5 9.exd5 Ne5 10.Bb3. 
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