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Poll closed Question: Which continuation is the best against the Benko/Volga
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Accepted with bxa6 and e4+g3    
  8 (7.9%)
Accepted with bxa6 and e4+h3    
  5 (5.0%)
Accepted with bxa6 and Nf3+Nd2    
  3 (3.0%)
Accepted with bxa6 and f4    
  2 (2.0%)
Accepted with bxa6 and g3    
  20 (19.8%)
Accepted - The Zaitsev (5.Nc3)    
  5 (5.0%)
Accepted - The Dlugy (5.f3)    
  10 (9.9%)
Accepted with 5. b6    
  28 (27.7%)
Other accepted    
  4 (4.0%)
Refused    
  16 (15.8%)




Total votes: 101
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Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga?
Reply #26 - 02/02/10 at 14:58:48
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thibdb13 wrote on 01/22/09 at 19:51:41:
Personally I prefered the Dlugy variation but since the last DW (black plays c4), I am not so confident any more...

Hmm, I have Pinski's book on the Benko, and after 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 b5 4.cxb5 a6 5.f3 e6 6.e4, he gives 6...c4 as highly dubious. Do you know if "Dangerous Weapons" offers improvements on Pinski's analysis to overturn this assessment?
  
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Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga?
Reply #25 - 02/10/09 at 07:13:40
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Hi everyone,
What about 4.f3 instead of 5.f3???
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Reply #24 - 02/09/09 at 18:50:46
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Novosibirsk wrote on 01/29/09 at 15:32:09:
According to Starting out Benoni systems 
The argument of exchange the light square bishop is that the bishop is quite blocked by the white center pawns. Do white need the bishop ?. Probably for having a safe kings position only.

Also you exchange one piece more which is good when ahead in material. The drawback is of course whites kings position which is worse than in the fianchetto lines.  


I once analysed a game with a benko player where I played the fianchetto variation, his thought on variation was that his black bishop is in the way of his forces, and he would like it better to get it exchanged against the f1-bishop.

I don't really know the ultimate truth myself, there are pros and cons in exchanging the lightsquared bishop.

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Because I suspect prospective Benkoers, one need be prepared for the sharp play after 3....cd 4. Nd4 e5 !?.


I think theory says it's bad, but theory probably says the same on the volga, so I do not really know. Tbh. I haven't looked into that gambit.
I play a different move order c4 Nf3, so I do not need to occupy myself with such things (the first tourney I played last year with 1.d4 I played with some knowledge of lines in the John Cox Starting Out: 1d4 book, like QGD, KID, Nimzo, Gruenfeld, Slav, QGA, but on the board I only got sidelines like albin's counter gambit, czech benoni, dutch stonewall, where I basically had to think for myself starting from move 2-5 running into totally prepared opponents, that is why I changed to 1.c4/1.Nf3, there are not so many cheaptricker defences there).
  
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Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga?
Reply #23 - 02/03/09 at 07:38:59
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I wouldn't call it the best way to meet the Benko, but 4.Bg5, as suggested in 'Dangerous Weapons: The Benoni and Benko' looks like a unorthodox yet quite tricky anti-Benko line. 

I once had a look at the 5.f3 Dlugy Variation, but never played it as White because I couldn't find any advantage for White in the 5...e6 6.e4 ed5 7.e5 Qe7 8.Qe2 Ng8 9.Nc3 Bb7 10.Nh3 c4 11.Be3 ab5 12.0-0-0 Qb4 variation, with the key idea of the queen sacrifice 13.Rd5 Qc3! 14.bc3 Bd5 15.Nf4 Ba3 16.Kb1 Ne7, which has been assessed as equal by some commentators but is in my (and Pinski's) view somewhat favourable for Black. 13.Nf4 Ne7 14.Qf2 is more common, but Black fully equalises here as well. Based partly on my experience with the variation as Black, I would argue that the 5.f3 e6 variation is even easier to play for Black than White.
  

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Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga?
Reply #22 - 01/29/09 at 16:35:19
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If the Benko is ever refuted by a supercomputer of the future, I'd bet on the accepted/king's walk variation (Kxf1, g3, Kg2).  It's what I generally play OTB.

When I'm tired, paired down, playing blitz or otherwise don't feel like letting Black play a bunch of automatic moves or dealing with the pressure on the a- and b- files, I'll decline with 4.Nf3.
  
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Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga?
Reply #21 - 01/29/09 at 15:32:09
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According to Starting out Benoni systems it seems  the Kings walk variation (named that way in the "Mastering benko/benoni) has some psycological impact on Benko players. I consider use this variation. It also seems to be a respected line for white. 

The argument of exchange the light square bishop is that the bishop is quite blocked by the white center pawns. Do white need the bishop ?. Probably for having a safe kings position only.

Also you exchange one piece more which is good when ahead in material. The drawback is of course whites kings position which is worse than in the fianchetto lines.  

If I am not wrong I think Karpov has played the Kings Walk variation mostly when faced with the Benko. Maybe after following Avrukhs repertoire I have to play fianchetto line anyhow . Well see.
  

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Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga?
Reply #20 - 01/29/09 at 14:16:07
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Personally I like White's chances in this gambit.  But if you answer 2...c5 with 3.Nf3, you have to be prepared not only for this but for a wide range of Symmetrical English ideas.  Also if this is your game, you might consider starting out 1.Nf3.
  

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Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga?
Reply #19 - 01/29/09 at 10:09:23
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It no doubt is. Still they are complicated positions with a fair amount of analysis. So if white really prepares it then I suspect he might score pretty well - I don't know how many black players really look hard at this as opposed to just 'playing' it.
  
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Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga?
Reply #18 - 01/29/09 at 00:44:54
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Which is a 1st rate gambit.
  

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Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga?
Reply #17 - 01/28/09 at 20:42:36
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So after 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 I would play 3.Nf3.
Why not play a 2nd rate move against a 2nd rate defence and give them their own medicine Smiley



Because I suspect prospective Benkoers, one need be prepared for the sharp play after 3....cd 4. Nd4 e5 !?.
  

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Reply #16 - 01/28/09 at 17:05:25
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According to theory the fianchetto with 10. rb1 is best,
but in my opinion the positions are far from clear and there are many practical chances for black.
So after 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 I would play 3.Nf3.
Why not play a 2nd rate move against a 2nd rate defence and give them their own medicine Smiley
  
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Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga?
Reply #15 - 01/28/09 at 15:34:41
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The 7. f4 line is advocated in the second edition of the Keene book, from about 1995.  The first edition, from about 1984, advocated 4. Nf3.
  
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Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga?
Reply #14 - 01/28/09 at 13:18:40
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Holbox wrote on 01/28/09 at 11:47:45:
Keene's book title:

An Opening Repertoire For White


It's quite old, dating back to the 70's, I think.  I have a copy somewhere.  It influenced my 1.d4 repertoire.  But it's very out of date.
  

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Reply #13 - 01/28/09 at 11:47:45
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Keene's book title:

An Opening Repertoire For White
  

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Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga?
Reply #12 - 01/28/09 at 10:38:04
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I actually had a look at that semi recently and even played it once or twice. 

Its probably not the best move but its also not so bad and has been written off slightly flippantly by a few recent Benko books. iIirc they tend to give lines with Qa5 and then white swapping queens on a6 into a bad pawn up ending. Not forced!

Ok so Qa5 does certainly stop any really fast e5 breaks but white can keep the game going well enough. Interesting equality might be more than the Benko deserves of course Wink

The b6 lines (with maybe Nf3 first if you don't like b6 e6) might be a slightly more accurate way to play with an e4/f4 pawn structure.
  
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