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Re: Play the Slav by Vigus
Reply #19 - 06/14/11 at 12:55:30
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it's more of an oversight than an issue, because it doesn't mean that you can be move-ordered out of Vigus' repertoire.
  
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Move order issue
  
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Reply #17 - 05/16/11 at 02:26:42
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WSS wrote on 05/15/11 at 23:01:03:
I too have enjoyed and am using the Vigus "Play the Slav" book as a primary reference (thank you James!)  Have any of the lines in the book become problematic since it was published in 2008?


It's been three years since the book was published, so obviously the book will be out of date. Fortunately the book offers a lot of alternative recommendations, some of which may have become more popular since the book's publication. 

Repertoire books by Avrukh (GM Repertoire), Schandorff (Playing the Queen's Gambit) and Hilton/Ippolito (Wojo's Weapons) amongst others have been published since Vigus's book, so your choice is either to buy a few repertoire books for a few chapters, or subscribe to Ruslan's excellent 1.d4 d5 section on ChessPublishing.
  

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I too have enjoyed and am using the Vigus "Play the Slav" book as a primary reference (thank you James!)  Have any of the lines in the book become problematic since it was published in 2008?
  
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Re: Play the Slav by Vigus
Reply #15 - 12/28/09 at 18:36:16
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James Vigus wrote on 03/01/09 at 10:49:58:
P.S. there's 6...Bxf3 too of course, as John Watson analyses in his new review of my book and Avrukh's on theweekinchess.

That review

  
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Re: Play the Slav by Vigus
Reply #14 - 09/11/09 at 19:13:20
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Jupp53 wrote on 05/20/09 at 12:43:28:
Interesting approach from your side. This let's me think a little. I feel it's sometimes very useful. Probably is the selection of the good books for the opponents side important.


Yes, in general I try to buy the leading repertoire books for the other side.  I now have Vigus, for example.
  

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Re: Play the Slav by Vigus
Reply #13 - 09/11/09 at 13:13:37
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Jupp53 wrote on 05/19/09 at 22:26:32:
- Chapter nine - page 187:

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 dxc4 4. e4 b5 5. a4 b4 6. Na2 Nf6 7. e5 Nd5 8. Bxc4 e6 9. Nf3 a5 10. Bg5 Qb6 11. Nc1 Ba6 12. Bxa6 Qxa6 

Here is the text: 12. ... Qxa6 exploits the fact, that White hasn't castled. (13. Qe2 c5 14. dxc5 Nd7)
But M. Santo from Andorra gives me a hard time atm with his plan of blocking c5.

13. Nb3 Nd7 14. Rc1 h6 15. Be3 Nxe3 16. fxe3 Be7 17. Qe2 O-O 18. Qxa6 Rxa6 19. Ke2 Rc8 20. Rc2 * so far the game has run.

As I'm an otb player beyond the level of 2000 pardon me, if this is bs.
Now the cited game with Santo is finished with a draw. Giving only the notation I have the feeling white could have done better.

Here for game collector's the complete game:
[Event "BI-2009-P00013"]
[Site "Lechenicher SchachServer"]
[Date "2009.04.19"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Santo, Moises"]
[Black "Roggensack, Hans Peter"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteELO "1917"]
[BlackELO "1965"]
[EventDate "2009.04.20"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 dxc4 4. e4 b5 5. a4 b4 6. Na2 Nf6 7. e5 Nd5 8. Bxc4 e6 9. Nf3 a5 10. Bg5 Qb6 11. Nc1 Ba6 12. Bxa6 Qxa6 13. Nb3 Nd7 14. Rc1 h6 15. Be3 Nxe3 16. fxe3 Be7 17. Qe2 O-O 18. Qxa6 Rxa6 19. Ke2 Rc8 20. Rc2 f6 21. exf6 gxf6 22. Rhc1 Kf7 23. e4 Bd6 24. g3 Kg6 25. Nh4+ Kf7 26. Ng2 h5 27. Nh4 Bf8 28. Nf3 Kg6 29. Rc4 Bh6 30. R1c2 Bf8 31. e5 fxe5 32. Nxe5+ Nxe5 33. dxe5 c5 34. Kd3 Ra7 35. Nxc5 Bxc5 36. Rxc5 Rd7+ 37. Ke4 Rcd8 38. Re2 Rd4+ 39. Kf3 R8d5 40. Rxd5 Rxd5 41. Ke4 Rd1 42. Rf2 Kg5 43. Rf4 Ra1 44. h4+ Kg6 45. Rf6+ Kg7 46. Rxe6 Rxa4 47. Kd3 Ra2 48. Kc2 Ra1 49. Ra6 a4 50. Rb6 a3 51. Rxb4 axb2 52. Rxb2 Re1 53. Kd3 1/2 - 1/2

An alternative proposal after 3.Nc3 has still to be searched. Atm I'm finishing some games to have more time for this kind of search.
  

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Re: Play the Slav by Vigus
Reply #12 - 05/20/09 at 12:43:28
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Interesting approach from your side. This let's me think a little. I feel it's sometimes very useful. Probably is the selection of the good books for the opponents side important.
  

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Reply #11 - 05/20/09 at 12:10:51
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Jupp53 wrote on 05/20/09 at 11:28:06:
Markovich wrote on 05/20/09 at 00:02:40:
Welcome Jupp53, and thanks for this interesting post.  Do you have Schandorff's book, where he advocates 7...Nb6 8. Ne5 a5 9. Bg5?
Tks. Schandorff is a white 1.d4 d5 2. c4 - repertoire. So I didn't look at it till now, because getting a better feeling and knowing of the black systems is the task atm.

In which way does it add to the (imo really excellent) Vigus-book.


Actually I don't have Vigus.  I probably should, since I usually buy the leading repertoire books for the other side.
  

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Re: Play the Slav by Vigus
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Markovich wrote on 05/20/09 at 00:02:40:
Welcome Jupp53, and thanks for this interesting post.  Do you have Schandorff's book, where he advocates 7...Nb6 8. Ne5 a5 9. Bg5?
Tks. Schandorff is a white 1.d4 d5 2. c4 - repertoire. So I didn't look at it till now, because getting a better feeling and knowing of the black systems is the task atm.

In which way does it add to the (imo really excellent) Vigus-book.
  

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Reply #9 - 05/20/09 at 00:02:40
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Welcome Jupp53, and thanks for this interesting post.  Do you have Schandorff's book, where he advocates 7...Nb6 8. Ne5 a5 9. Bg5?
  

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Re: Play the Slav by Vigus
Reply #8 - 05/19/09 at 22:26:32
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Finding this thread in the net is great.

After a pause of 20 years of tournament chess I decided to restart with correspondence chess and a completely new repertoire. The book of Vigus is my black bible against d4 atm.  Wink I never played the slav before and it gave me a really good start.

So maybe it's possible to give back some experiences. Relying on the English edition from 2008 there are my first remarks.

- Chapter one - page 58:

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 dxc4 5. a4 Bf5 6. Ne5 Nbd7 7. Nxc4 Nb6 8. Ne5 a5 9. f3 Nfd7 10. Nxd7 Nxd7 11. e4 Bg6 12. Be3 Qb6
13. Qc2

This seems to be a new move here, played by E. Ortiz from Cuba. The book doesn't cover it and I couldn't find a game neither in CA10, nor in several other bases. Atm I'm analyzing 13. - e5 or 13. - e6.

- Chapter nine - page 187:

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 dxc4 4. e4 b5 5. a4 b4 6. Na2 Nf6 7. e5 Nd5 8. Bxc4 e6 9. Nf3 a5 10. Bg5 Qb6 11. Nc1 Ba6 12. Bxa6 Qxa6 

Here is the text: 12. ... Qxa6 exploits the fact, that White hasn't castled. (13. Qe2 c5 14. dxc5 Nd7)
But M. Santo from Andorra gives me a hard time atm with his plan of blocking c5.

13. Nb3 Nd7 14. Rc1 h6 15. Be3 Nxe3 16. fxe3 Be7 17. Qe2 O-O 18. Qxa6 Rxa6 19. Ke2 Rc8 20. Rc2 * so far the game has run.

As I'm an otb player beyond the level of 2000 pardon me, if this is bs.
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Re: Play the Slav by Vigus
Reply #7 - 03/01/09 at 10:49:58
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P.S. there's 6...Bxf3 too of course, as John Watson analyses in his new review of my book and Avrukh's on theweekinchess.
  
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Reply #6 - 02/22/09 at 16:56:07
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I was a bit alarmed when I read this: did I really overlook the most obvious move on move 6? Then I realised to my relief that I had just assumed 6 Nc3 e6 would transpose after 7 Ne5 (7 Be2 looks tame) Bf5 to my next note (Kachiani-Paehtz). I haven't got Avrukh yet or looked at the Corus games, but my first reaction is that 7 Nh4 puts White a tempo down on the line 4 e3 Bf5 5 Nc3 e6 6 Nh4 Bg4 7 Qb3 Qb6 8 h3 Bh5 9 g4 Bg6, when Dreev notes in his best games book that he didn't fancy the routine 10 Nxg6 hxg6 11 Bg2 against Huebner, so went for 10 c5 Qc7 11 g5 without proving an edge here either. So I find it hard to imagine this 7 Nh4 is a real threat, but perhaps Carlsen has other ideas...
  
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Re: Play the Slav by Vigus
Reply #5 - 02/14/09 at 01:01:44
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Papageno wrote on 02/12/09 at 22:44:23:
Yes, this line is quite a new one. And true, Avrukh is recommending it for the white player. But as this line is very topical, there are newer developments around. You can check the Wijk aan Zee (Corus Tournament in Jan-2009) games. There were two games with
1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3 Bg4 5. Qb3 Qb6 6. Nc3 e6 7. Nh4 (intending h3 and g4)

* Carlsen-Movsesian ˝:˝ and
* Morozevich-Smeets 1:0 (the result came from an endgame blunder)

I'd say, the opening was quite satisfactory for the second player in both games. - Regards!



But if your opponent is following Avrukh, take no comfort in that since both White players deviated from Avrukh quite early.  Grin
  

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Reply #4 - 02/13/09 at 08:07:19
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I have to stay with David Rudel's assessment of the position in Zuke'em. After Bg4 the only way to get an advantage is going for the bishop pair. Qb3 is more than playable but i don't think is the strongest move on the board.
  

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Reply #3 - 02/12/09 at 22:44:23
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Yes, this line is quite a new one. And true, Avrukh is recommending it for the white player. But as this line is very topical, there are newer developments around. You can check the Wijk aan Zee (Corus Tournament in Jan-2009) games. There were two games with
1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3 Bg4 5. Qb3 Qb6 6. Nc3 e6 7. Nh4 (intending h3 and g4)

* Carlsen-Movsesian ˝:˝ and
* Morozevich-Smeets 1:0 (the result came from an endgame blunder)

I'd say, the opening was quite satisfactory for the second player in both games. - Regards!

  
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Re: Play the Slav by Vigus
Reply #2 - 02/12/09 at 21:04:33
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Markovich wrote on 02/12/09 at 21:00:20:
Harvey Williamson wrote on 02/12/09 at 19:30:27:
I recently purchased this book . I was surprised there was no coverage of  

[Event "8th European Team Championship - Semifi"]
[Site "ICCF"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Rogetzer, Klaus"]
[Black "Williamson, Harvey D."]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "A00"]
[WhiteElo "2451"]
[BlackElo "2360"]
[PlyCount "11"]
[EventDate "2009.02.21"]
[EventType "corr"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3 Bg4 5. Qb3 Qb6 6. Nc3 *

a position I now face in a correspondence game and nothing in this latest book on what looks like the best move 6 - any suggestions? 6..e6 then?


Do I know you?  From a CC game?  From the USCF org boards about that Paul Truong nonsense?

Anyhow, I suggest you buy a copy of Avrukh's book, which your opponent appears to be playing from.


Thanks! I Never heard of Paul Truong.
  
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Harvey Williamson wrote on 02/12/09 at 19:30:27:
I recently purchased this book . I was surprised there was no coverage of  

[Event "8th European Team Championship - Semifi"]
[Site "ICCF"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Rogetzer, Klaus"]
[Black "Williamson, Harvey D."]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "A00"]
[WhiteElo "2451"]
[BlackElo "2360"]
[PlyCount "11"]
[EventDate "2009.02.21"]
[EventType "corr"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3 Bg4 5. Qb3 Qb6 6. Nc3 *

a position I now face in a correspondence game and nothing in this latest book on what looks like the best move 6 - any suggestions? 6..e6 then?


Do I know you?  From a CC game?  From the USCF org boards about that Paul Truong nonsense?

Anyhow, I suggest you buy a copy of Avrukh's book, which your opponent appears to be playing from.
  

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02/12/09 at 19:30:27
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I recently purchased this book . I was surprised there was no coverage of  

[Event "8th European Team Championship - Semifi"]
[Site "ICCF"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Rogetzer, Klaus"]
[Black "Williamson, Harvey D."]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "A00"]
[WhiteElo "2451"]
[BlackElo "2360"]
[PlyCount "11"]
[EventDate "2009.02.21"]
[EventType "corr"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3 Bg4 5. Qb3 Qb6 6. Nc3 *

a position I now face in a correspondence game and nothing in this latest book on what looks like the best move 6 - any suggestions? 6..e6 then?
  
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