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Reply #12 - 10/10/04 at 13:34:32
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Has the 4. ... Ne4 line been refuted?
  

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Reply #11 - 09/09/04 at 05:21:00
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this is a reply to the question on Qxf6 in the Tarrasch. It it not simply bad, however if you wish to know more I believe there is a topic covering it "Tarrasch, 3...Nf6, 5.Bd3, 9...Qxf6"
  
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Reply #10 - 09/08/04 at 22:59:27
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hi, I had never played Nc6 before.  But just curious, what is the idea behind the Nb3 move?
  
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Re: Nd2 in the Tarrasch?????
Reply #9 - 10/19/03 at 23:25:36
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I think 1.e4 d6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Nc6 is a rather risky option for Black after 4.Ngf3 Nf6 5.e5 Nd7 6.Nb3 (I think White has the better chances after 6.Be2 as well.)  This is of course the main line which Black doesn't get a chance to safely get in ...f6 anytime soon.  The positions may be playable, but are passive and certainly not to my tastes.
  
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Re: Nd2 in the Tarrasch?????
Reply #8 - 02/23/03 at 06:13:19
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I like playing 3...Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.c3 c5 6.Bd3 (f4 is an other discussion) Nc6 7.Ne2 cd 8.cd f6 9.ef6 (Nf4 is also interesting, but not so good) Nf6 10.0-0 Bd6 11.Nf3 and now 11..Qc7 is OK for black I think.  8)
  
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Reply #7 - 02/18/03 at 18:11:21
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Just a brief reply as i dont have time to provide analysis but according to Tiviakov one of the worlds experts on the white side of the tarrasch the qxf6 line isn't very good, just look up some of his games and you'll find how to play the positions.
  
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Reply #6 - 02/18/03 at 15:14:59
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Tell me French players out there, what about the line in the Nf6 line in the Tarrasch, where black plays f6, then recaptures with is Queen? Looks agressive, but is there any problem with it.

One other thing, you know, no one has mentioned the Tarrasch lines where white plays f4. Is g5 the best move for black? What about when White plays h4, what should be blacks plan? Oh, I also think I seen a game recently where white played a3, I guess to stop Bb4 check. Anybody seen that, and what should blacks plan be?
  
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Reply #5 - 01/29/03 at 08:38:32
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Yep sorry for being over the top in my assessment of your comments Dom, i realised that you meant Ngf3 first my main point was concerning the Nc6 which does have potential, and is the key question to the whole viability of the Guimard. I only wished to make it clear that Ngf3 had to be played thus limiting the options, White essentially has to play e5 he cannot just leave the pawn there as otherwise the d-pawn will drop with dxe4 and Nxd4.
  
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Re: Nd2 in the Tarrasch?????
Reply #4 - 01/29/03 at 06:39:28
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OK..I agree with Tigger and (of course) my plans for White are those after Ngf3.
For Qb6 in other discussion, I agree too, but not only for b3 move but because of plan for White to overprotect d4 with Be3 too...
  

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Reply #3 - 01/27/03 at 09:52:18
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Well i play the guimard variation and whilst some of what Dom said is correct i think on the whole is he is wrong about his assessment of the main lines.

Firstly e5 isnt an option because of simply Nxd4, so White must play either c3 or Ngf3 (the main move).
After 4. c3 black plays e5 and has excellent play in a sharp position, so 4. Ngf3 is the only move to challenge black. Then black plays Nf6 5. e5 Nd7 and Dom is completely wrong here the knight on c6 is by no means useless at all. The whole point of this line is that black intends a well timed f6 exf6 and then hopefully qxf6 when the knight is immediately ready to support the e5 break. It is upto White to prove this to be premature and restrain Black's activity and he is not very accurate then Black usually succeeds in making the e5 break then on the whole he will probably be even better as his pieces are naturally placed with the open f-file. With great accuracy White can gain an edge but it is nothing too significant, and in practice most players will be thrown by this unusual variation. I will post some analysis when i have more time, but I whole heartedly reccomend this variation, it may not be sound at gm level but for everyone else it is an ideal line creating instantly sharp play.

Also whilst Watsons play the french is ok its quite outdated, eg look at eddie dearings opinions on Qb6 in our discussion
  
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Re: Nd2 in the Tarrasch?????
Reply #2 - 01/27/03 at 06:53:27
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Nc6 is less common than c5 and Nf6 against Nd2 Tarrasch line.
I don't know very much about it,but White can use three plans as usual: close the center with e5, open the center with the exchange exd5, and keep all the options with Nf3.
Plan for Black after e5 is to play f6 since with Nc6, c5 is no more available. After that move, White can try to obtain control of e5 square and putting a pawn on e5 with dxe5 is double-edge since Black has good c5 square for the bishop but hasn't f6 good square for the knight, thus short castling is dangerous for Black. White can play Bb5 pinning the Nc6 knight to have positional play.
Exchanging with exd5 only transpose to main exchange system if Black takes pawn with exd5, but I don't know how to evaluate Qxd5 capture (with knight on d2, White cannot win a tempo with Nc3 and d4 pawn is already on fire).
Best plan for White is to keep all options with Nf3, since exchanging with dxe4 lead to Rubinstein positions with knight misplaced on c6 (freeing move c5 is not quickly done) and Nf6 leads to classical variation after e5 with useless knight on c6 (useless too after f6-exf6-Nxf6).
  

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Reply #1 - 01/25/03 at 20:47:21
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Have your tried Watson's book "Play the French".  He has two  pretty good recomendations.
  
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C03-C04: Nd2 in the Tarrasch?????
01/25/03 at 20:13:41
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Well, I am trying to find something to play against nd2, and was wondering about nc6. What does everyone have to say about it? What is the critical line for Black? Is there a line for white that has put it out of business?
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