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Re: Tarrasch Tiviakov 15.Nd2. Twenty moves of theory
Reply #17 - 04/09/08 at 21:46:35
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Hello Dom, thanks for this interesting variation. I also think that the knight sacrifice is good for black after both 20.Nge2 or 20.Nh1. In an over the board game anyway. Maybe something like 16.Re1-Qf7 17.Bc3 is better after 15...Qe7. What would you consider to be the best continuation for white after 13...h6? I was very disappointed after that game and told my team mates that I will switch to 3.Nc3  Smiley
But that would mean a lot of work. The positons with f4 are another option in the closed Tarrasch French.
  
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Re: Tarrasch Tiviakov 15.Nd2. Twenty moves of theory
Reply #16 - 04/09/08 at 15:48:56
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Thanks Accolon for the game Kotronias-Berg 2007,..., yes Black has chance to play on kingside wing with is bishop pair.
If 14.Bd2 I advice for Black the transposition: 14...Ng4 15.Ng3 Qe7!? and after 16.Bb1 to be tried: 16...e5!  or (if you like risk and fun) 16...Nxd4 17.Nxd4 Qh4 18.h3 Nxf2 19.Rxf2 Rxf2 20.Nf1!! and here Karel Mokry gives advantage White in the game Kupreichik-Chernin,URSS 1984 but I don't believe it and I think the knight sacrifice for 2 pawns is good.
  

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Re: Tarrasch Tiviakov 15.Nd2. Twenty moves of theory
Reply #15 - 04/07/08 at 19:08:14
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I lost a game after 13...h6 yesterday. It went 14.Bh4-Nh5 15.Bg3-Nxg3 16.Nxg3-Qf7 17.Bb1-Bd7. I played badly but now after checking some games with this variation I wonder how white can fight for the initiative. Tiviakov`s 17.Qe2 looked good but in Kotronias-Berg 2007 black had an easy game and won eventually. Maybe 14.Bd2 is a better try?!
  
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Re: Tarrasch Tiviakov 15.Nd2. Twenty moves of theo
Reply #14 - 01/25/06 at 23:07:24
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There are some new games played by Tiviakov in the variation with the line 13.Rc1 and with the reply 13...h6.

14.Bh4 (14.Bd2 Bd7 is now given by Psakhis's book about Nd2:Rublevsky-Ulibin,Moscow 2003 ; 14.Bxf6 Rxf6 15.Ng3 Qg7 tranpose to Dervishi-Berg,Yerevan 1999 given by Psakhis )  Nh5 (14...Ne4 Popomonvi-Stamenkovic,Ulicnj 1988 or Teodoro-Vujic,Toronto 2000 ; 14...Qb6) 15.Bg3 (or 15.Bb1 g5 16.Bg3 transposing) Nxg3 16.Nxg3 Qf7 17.Bb1 Tiviakov-Berg, Mallorca 2005 or 17.Qe2 Tiviakov-Williams,Gausdal 2005 game 

Great question is "when must h6 be played"  ? One answer may be when White has not the move Bf4 to exchange the dark square bishop. If 13.Rc1 Bd7 14.Re1 (following Tiviakov advice in NiC survey) Qb6 15.Bf4 Bxf4 16.Nxf4 Ne4 unclear ; and I have not found a better move than 14..Qb6. If 14..h6 15.Bd2! Qb6 (15...Ne4 16.Be3) 16.Bf4 Bxf4 17.Nxf4 targeting e6




  

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Re: Tarrasch Tiviakov 15.Nd2. Twenty moves of theo
Reply #13 - 01/24/06 at 11:44:30
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I should play for the next EuroMillion game...I thought the server will be down one month, and I was right.

I can now answer Gueler post.
  

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Re: Tarrasch Tiviakov 15.Nd2. Twenty moves of theo
Reply #12 - 12/07/05 at 17:48:58
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My understanding of that post is that the data will eventually be transferred to a new server.  This shouldn't result in anything detectable by forum members (apart from a brief shutdown).  In particular, I think that material posted between now and then would be saved, so I'm not sure that's a reason to delay posting.  Perhaps someone should query the admin for more information.
  
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Reply #11 - 12/07/05 at 06:12:08
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Look at thread:

http://altmax.com/cgi-local/cpf/YaBB.cgi?board=discussion_brd;action=display;num...

and post from Admin 1 Dec 2005: "In the nearest future,..."

I don't know when migration on the future server will be done. Post a question to Admin for the subject.

I think I will post anything till next month (and next year)

Coming soon, Dom.
  

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Reply #10 - 12/05/05 at 18:09:29
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I wasn't aware that the chesspub forum is moving. I know that this is outside of this thread, but could you let me know when this will happen?

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Re: Tarrasch Tiviakov 15.Nd2. Twenty moves of theo
Reply #9 - 12/05/05 at 12:46:16
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Hello Gueler,

I will be very glad to answer...but, I wait forum moving to another web site (where posts will be saved weekly).

  

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Re: Tarrasch Tiviakov 15.Nd2. Twenty moves of theo
Reply #8 - 12/05/05 at 03:17:50
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DOM,

It has been roughly 2 years since your last post in this thread and I am curious to know if you still stand by the variations you gave, such as 13. ... Bd7 or propose different lines.

Have you looked into 13. ... h6? Which is actually what I am playing.
  
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Re: Tarrasch Tiviakov 15.Nd2. Twenty moves of theo
Reply #7 - 10/22/03 at 06:59:16
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Now (after reading Nic mini survey) I agree with Tiviakov: 13.Rc1 Ng4 14.Ng3 g6 15.Nd2! e5 is not a good line for Black. But some other lines can be tried:
A) 13...Bd7 14.Ng3 Qb6!? but be careful: if 15.Bxf6 then 15...gxf6! is mandatory since greek gift is winning after Rxf6: 16.Bxh7+ Kxh7 17.Ng5+ Kg8 18.Qh5 Be8 19.Qh7+ Kf8 and now Drasko gave, in his book about French, Frolo's analysis with 20.Qh8+ and so on Frolov-Weiss,1994 but 20.Qf5! is simpler Rausis-Namyslo,Meisdork 1996
B) 13...Bd7 14.Re1 (Tiviakov 's idea and wait-and-see move) Qb6!? and Black must try to improve the only game Ottavi-Mara,Roma 1996 which transposes in other lines after 15....Rae8
C) 13...Ng4!? (ECO/Bareev recommendation) 14.Ng3 Qb6!? (3 correspondances games on Chessbase-online database) or 14...Bd7!? (Tiviakov)
  

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NiC sample: Tiviakov and Thunderbunny's variation
Reply #6 - 09/18/03 at 06:07:37
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I have just received one free NiC (Newinchess) sample...
It's written in small font (the good size for Mini-Me character in Austin Powers) but I read one "serious" paper from Tiviakov about Tarrasch Nd2 and his system (Nd2!) and one "less serious" from nicknamed Thunderbunny (at the beginning of the sample) about one "hobby-horse" variation.
Tiviakov claims that Ng4 recommendation is bad, but I will be interested with future topic discussion about Ng3-g6 (and more comments about Tiviakov-McDonald,Bagneux 1991). In the sample, I learnt that the right move is 21.Bb5 (rather than 21.Fc4+ in my first post in current topic).
At the end, you can read Glenn Flear survey, and I admit, I am curious about the result about the battle Nunn-Kosten in the Latvian...(play or not play hobby-horse variation? that's the question)
  

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Re: Tarrasch Tiviakov 15.Nd2. Twenty moves of theo
Reply #5 - 02/06/03 at 11:12:53
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Thanks yaltmax.
  

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Re: Tarrasch Tiviakov 15.Nd2. Twenty moves of theo
Reply #4 - 02/06/03 at 09:57:30
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In some tricky posts like this you may wanna turn off smileys so it's not confusing :) When you compose a message, there is a "Disable smileys" checkbox which will do the job. Like I did in thos post and the smiley did not turn into teh actual face but was left alone as actual text. You can also preview your post before posting to make sure everything lokos exactly as intended.
  
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Re: Tarrasch Tiviakov 15.Nd2. Twenty moves of theo
Reply #3 - 02/06/03 at 07:22:08
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Funny,

Eight followed by parenthesis is a smiley

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I wanted only to type "Bd8 )"
  

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