Normal Topic Semitarrasch (with 6.g3/6.e3/6.e4) ECO D41 (Read 4247 times)
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Re: Semitarrasch (with 6.g3/6.e3/6.e4) ECO D41
Reply #3 - 08/20/24 at 07:44:15
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The early posts in this thread is from '03 before a guy called Kramnik came along and made the semi-tarrasch quite trendy at top levels for a few years.
In the 6e4 main line this was a Nd7 idea to make the d5 followed by e5 sac less effective. (This is by far white's most dangerous idea in the opening.)
In the 6e3 a line with Qc7 appeared. Carlsen later found a dangerous sac idea against this, so I would recommend playing the traditional IQP positions as black.
In the g3 lines, some places called Keres/Parma it most often occurs from the english move order. Marin in series of books from 2010 recommended a strange Qa4 idea, and in his time Suba "dynamic chess strategy" suggested a mysterious Rb1 idea. These creative approaches don't indicate an easy white advantage in "normal" lines. Marin later produced a dvd/cdrom for chessbase on the semi-tarrasch.
  
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Re: Semitarrasch (with 6.g3/6.e3/6.e4) ECO D41
Reply #2 - 07/22/24 at 14:32:05
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The Keres-Parma variation can arise from various move orders. It can come about via the Reti:
1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 c5 3. Bg2 Nc6 4. d4 e6 5. O-O Nf6 6. c4 Be7 7. cd5!? Nd5 8. Nc3 O-O
or via the Catalan:
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. g3 Be7 5. Bg2 O-O 6. O-O c5 7. cd5 Nd5 8. Nc3 Nc6

I think it is a reasonable topic for investigation.

White can now play 9e4 or 9Nxd5. White can also avoid the Keres-Parma. The same position is reached after:

1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 c5 3. Bg2 Nc6 4. d4 e6 5. O-O Nf6 6. c4 Be7 7. cd5!? Nd5 8. dc5!? Bc5 9. Qc2 Qe7 10. a3 O-O
and
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. g3 Be7 5. Bg2 O-O 6. O-O c5 7. cd5 
Nd5 8. dc5 Bc5 9. Qc2 Qe7 10. a3 Nc6

In all cases, White is a little better but the game is still interesting. The Keres-Parma is not very popular now. If nothing else, one should be able to catch many oppoents unprepared.

Those are my thoughts, but perhaps they have already been addressed in the prior post!
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Re: Semitarrasch (with 6.g3/6.e3/6.e4) ECO D41
Reply #1 - 03/27/03 at 10:57:23
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Hello, Sergev!

Thank you for your question!

The line you mentioned is not very popular because white gets comfortable edge without much efforts. 

Your 1st chapter (6.e4 Nxc3 7.bxc3 cxd4 8.cxd4 Bb4+ 9.Bd2 Bxd2+ 10.Qxd2 0-0 11.Bc4 Nc6 12.0-0) is the line white usually gladly follows being faced this opening. However, then he could find that the real work it required to increase or even to maintain the advantage, which has been obtained so easily.

Your 3rd chapter also gives a stable advantage for white but your selection of the lines looks rather incomplete – many top players were happy to pressurize black’s position after 6. g3 Nc6 7. Bg2 – such as Kramnik, Anand, Karpov, Ivanchuk and others. However, it must be mentioned that this position more often originates from 1. Nf3 and then there are some possible move orders, for example: 1. ..c5 2. c4 Nf6 3. Nc3 Nc6 4. g3 d5 5. d4 e6 6. cd5 Nd5 7. Bg2 etc.

So I think it is not a big surprise black usually prefers more solid opening lines, such as 4. …Be7, in which white’s task to get and then to maintain the advantage is more difficult.

In conclusion I would like to say that there is no need to give here so many lines copied from CB database without any comments – then it’s not so easy to understand which line is supposed to be important and for what reason. I always check my database but, of course, if you believe you have found really important theoretical game which cannot be found in the well-known sources – you are very welcome to share your ideas.  Smiley

Good luck!
Ruslan
  
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Semitarrasch (with 6.g3/6.e3/6.e4) ECO D41
03/15/03 at 20:21:29
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Hello,

       I 'm interested in that GM Scherbakov  could indicate the state of the theory in this old opening. I have not seen games analyzed in your site yet. It would be interesting know your expert opinion about important lines how:

Semitarrasch (6.g3/6.e3/6.e4) [D41]:

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 c5 5.cxd5 Nxd5

I) 6.e4 Nxc3 (6...cxd4 7.Bb5+ Bd7 8.exd5 dxc3 9.dxe6 fxe6 10.Bxd7+ Qxd7 11.Qb3 Nc6 12.0-0 Bd6!?) 7.bxc3 cxd4 8.cxd4 Bb4+ 9.Bd2 Bxd2+ 10.Qxd2 0-0 11.Bc4 (11.Rd1 b6 12.h4 Qe7 13.Bd3 Ba6 14.0-0 Bxd3 15.Qxd3 Nd7 16.Rfe1 Rfd8 17.d5 e5 ˝-˝ Sawatzki,J-Fleetwood,D/ICCF 1999 (34)) 11...Nc6 12.0-0 Qa5!?

II) 6.e3 Nc6 
A) 7.Bd3 Be7 8.0-0 0-0 A1) 9.a3 cxd4 10.exd4 Nf6 11.Be3 (11.Re1 b6 12.Bg5 Bb7 13.Bc2 Rc8 14.Qd3 g6 15.Rad1 Nd5 16.Bh6 Re8 17.Ba4 a6 18.Nxd5 Qxd5 19.Qe3 Bf6 20.Bb3 Qd7 21.d5 exd5 22.Qxb6 Rxe1+ 23.Rxe1 Bxb2 24.Bxd5 1-0 Strautins,V-Ortiz Elias,J/ICCF Email 2000 (48)) 11...b6 12.Rc1 Bb7 13.Qe2 Ng4 14.Bf4 Nxd4 15.Nxd4 Qxd4 16.Qxg4 Qxd3 17.Rfd1 Qg6 18.Qxg6 fxg6 19.Rd7 Bc5 20.Be3 Bc6 21.Rc7 Rfc8 22.Rxc8+ Rxc8 23.Nb5 Bd7 24.b4 Bxe3 25.Rxc8+ Bxc8 26.fxe3 Bd7 27.Nd6 Kf8 28.e4 e5 29.Kf2 Bc6 30.Nc4 Bxe4 31.Nxe5 Ke7 32.Nc4 Ke6 33.Ne3 Ke5 34.Ke2 Kd4 35.Kd2 Bc6 36.g3 Bd7 37.Nd1 Ke4 Bisguier - Fischer, 0-1; A2) 9.Nxd5 Qxd5 10.e4 Qh5 11.dxc5 Bxc5 12.Bf4 b6=; A3) 9.Re1 9...b6 10.Be4 Nxc3 11.bxc3 Bb7 12.Qc2 g6 13.Rd1÷ Lein - Farago , 83; 
B) 7.Bc4 7...cxd4 8.exd4 Be7 9.0-0 0-0 10.Re1 Nxc3 11.bxc3 b6 (11...Bf6 12.Bd3 b6 13.h4 Bb7 14.Ng5 g6 15.Qg4 h5 16.Qg3 Ne7 17.Ba3 Bxg5 18.Qxg5 Re8=) B1) 12.Qe2 Bb7 13.Bd3 Na5 14.Ne5 Rc8 15.Bb2 Bd6 16.Qh5 (16.c4 Bxe5 17.Qxe5 Nxc4 18.Bxc4 Rxc4 19.d5 Rg4!) 16...f5 17.Nf3?! Qe8!µ Larsen - Ribli; B2) 12.Bd3 12...Bb7 13.h4 (13.Qc2 g6 14.Bh6 Re8 15.Qd2 Rc8 16.Rad1 Bf6÷) 13...Na5! (13...Bxh4 14.Nxh4 Qxh4 15.Re3?) 14.Ng5 Bxg5 15.Bxg5 Qd5 16.Qg4 f5 17.Qg3 Rac8÷] 

III) 6.g3 Nc6 7.Bg2 cxd4 8.Nxd4 Nxc3 [8...Ndb4 9.Nxc6 Qxd1+ 10.Kxd1 Nxc6 11.Be3 Bd7 12.Rc1 Be7 13.Kc2 0-0 14.Rhd1 Rfd8 15.Kb1 Na5 16.Bf3 Bc6 17.Rxd8+ Bxd8 18.Ne4 Be7 19.Bc5 Bxc5 20.Rxc5 f5 21.Nd6 Bxf3 22.exf3 Rd8 23.Rxa5 Rxd6 24.Rxa7 Rd1+ 25.Kc2 Rf1 26.Rxb7 Rxf2+ 27.Kd3 Rxh2 28.a4 Rh1 29.Rb3 Kf7 30.a5 Ra1 31.Ra3 Rd1+ 32.Kc4 1-0 Gelfand,B-Delchev,A/2001/2002 World Chess Cha 2001] 9.bxc3 Nxd4 10.cxd4 Bb4+ 11.Kf1 0-0 12.Rb1 Bc3 13.Be3 Qa5 14.Qd3 Qxa2 15.Be4 f5 16.Bf3 e5 17.dxe5 Be6 18.Kg2 Bxe5 19.Rxb7 Bf6 20.Qb1 Qa6 21.Rc7 Rab8 22.Qc1 Rfc8 23.Rxa7 Qb5 24.Qd2 Rd8 25.Qa5 Qb3 26.Rc1 Rb5 27.Qc7 Bd5 28.Bg5 1-0 Sarno,S-Scafarelli,F/Campionato Italiano 2001 Line

Best Regards,
Sergev

  
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