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Re: Alekhine's 4 Pawns with 5 ...g6!?
Reply #3 - 10/27/03 at 15:42:48
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Oh dear! -- I really had better go back to sleep! Many thanks for your replies, Ben and Alumbrado, and please accept my apologies for what was a truly weird case of 'autopilot' thinking and daft confusion!

In the game I cited, White of course didn't play Nc3 and Be3 at all, but Be2 and 0-0!! -- he met Black's system by developing his kingside, as Davies in fact recommends (p. 128)! Davies says that, after 5 ...g6 6 Nf3 Bg7 7 Be2 0-0 8 0-0, 8 ...Be6 can now be met by 9 Nbd2. Lavrov played instead 9 b3, and the game appears to show that here the ...c5/ ...Nxe5 tactic does not work. My blunder arose from my confusing in my mind THIS position with that occurring after the moves I cited in my post, in which White's QB is of course on e3!! Here, according to Davies (p. 129), the 9 ...c5/ ...Nxe5 tactic is on.

This just shows the dangers of dabbling in chess -- plus not even bothering to get a board out -- when tired! I'm duly chastened, but maybe good will come of my laziness if I've opened up a discussion on an interesting line. The first question here might be, how should Black respond to Davies's suggestion? Since after 8 ...Be6 he has to contend with both 9 Nbd2 AND 9 b3, how about playing instead 8 ...de 9 fe c5, intending 10 ...Bg4? This, I suppose, transposes to 5 ...de/6 ...g6 lines, which have received some coverage on ChessPub. Anyway I'd love to know what you think and what, if anything, you reckon might call into question either of these fascinating lines.

  
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Re: Alekhine's 4 Pawns with 5 ...g6!?
Reply #2 - 10/27/03 at 11:14:30
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I am not sure I qualify as a 'strong player' (I am 180 BCF, so about 2000-2100 ELO, I guess), but my first advice would be to call the arbiter over if he plays 12.Bb2, as it is an illegal move!

From the context, I assume you meant 12.Bd4, in which case my first instinct is to play 12...Nc6 and if 13.exd6 Nxd4 and then Black should get play on the dark squares.  I appreciate that he is two pawns down, but White's position looks a little bit 'ropey' and the d6 pawn is securely under lock and key for the time being. 

It may be that there is a forcing tactical line which justifies this but if not, Black does not need to speculate at all.  He can simply play 12...dxe5 and if 13.Nxe5 Nxe5 14.Bxe5 (14.fxe5 Nc6  again looks dicey for White) Bxe5! 15.fxe5 (15.Qxd8? Bxc3+! 16.Qd2 Bxd2+ 17.Kxd2 Nc6 with an extra piece) 15...Qa5! and Black has all the chances here.
  

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Re: Alekhine's 4 Pawns with 5 ...g6!?
Reply #1 - 10/27/03 at 11:08:50
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I can't see anything much for Black. As far as I can see best play is something like 13.Ne5 Ne5 14.Qd8 Rd8 15.Be5 Be5 16.fe Nd7 17.Bf3 Rab8 18.Re1 b5 19.Na3 when I don't think Black has anything really for the pawn. It's difficult to see how he can avoid that line without just being worse.

Personally I have played 5...g6 but I don't really trust it.

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Alekhine's 4 Pawns with 5 ...g6!?
10/27/03 at 10:01:39
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I'd really welcome the advice of a strong player concerning the following line. In his recent book on the Alekhine's, Nigel Davies gives the line 6 Nc3 Bg7 7 Be3 Be6 8 Nf3 0-0 9 b3 c5 10 dc N6d7 11 cd ed 12 Qd6 Ne5! as fine for Black. In the recent game Lavrov--Sukharev, Kaissa Open 2003, however, White played 12 Bb2!?. On 12 ...de he replied 13 Be5?!, and after 13 ...Ne5 14 fe Nc6 ultimately lost. But what happens here on 13 Ne5? I can't easily see how Black equalises after that -- Black has obvious pressure but it seems White can neutralise it. Am I missing something, or should Black deviate earlier, or is the whole line dubious?
  
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