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Re: Bishop's Gambit
Reply #4 - 06/24/04 at 05:33:39
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Beste feb,
je excuses zijn een beetje overbodig.

After 3.Bc4 Nc6 4.d4 Nf6 5.Nc3 Bb4 is critical, see some Spielmann-Reti game (I have forgotten the year, somewhere between 1910 and 1914).
  

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Re: Bishop's Gambit
Reply #3 - 06/24/04 at 04:13:12
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I am really sorry MNb, I see now that I should have formulated my post differently. I read yuor post of course the way as Glenn described it above. I only tried to say (and my English let me down last night, I hope I wasn't rude) that, in light of the reputation of the Hanstein, White should examine moves which avoid this transposition.

In fact, now I am seriously considering to change my Black repertoire and try 3...Nc6 against the Bishop's gambit. The point is that after 4.Nf3 I could transpose with 4...g5 into 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 Nc6, which I also play as Black.  But first I have to investigate 3.Bc4 Nc6 4.d4 is more detail. Is it perhaps covered in a recent book (apart from McDonald's book, which I own)?

Regarding 4.Nc3, I agree with you Glenn. I will look at 5.Nc3 too.
  
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Re: Bishop's Gambit
Reply #2 - 06/23/04 at 18:37:43
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I don't think MNb intended (and of course he can let us know for himself sometime) to say White was playing the Bishop's to transpose to the Hanstein.  Just that after 4.Nf3, 4...g5 was a good response and the best White could do was transpose to the Hanstein which wasn't an attractive option.  I looked at deviations to transposing to the Hanstein for White, but can't find any good one.  For example if 5.h4 g4 6.Ng5 Ne5 is just better for Black and 5.d4 can be answered by 5...Bg7.  (Incidentally this lead me to discovering something which might be new in the Hanstein.  See that post for further details.)

I also looked at 4.Nc3 but 4...Qh4+ 5.Kf1 Bc5 is depressing for White.  Maybe White should investigate 4.d4 Nf6 5.Nc3!? instead of 5.e5 (although I haven't been able to make it work).
  
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Re: Bishop's Gambit
Reply #1 - 06/23/04 at 18:02:44
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Important question, MNb. I don't think anyone plays the Bishop's gambit just to transpose into the Hanstein after 4.Nf3 g5. Therefore 4.d4 should be examined, unless there is another independent alternative. I only have McDonald's book covering 4.d4, and having looked at some variations, I have the feeling that 4.d4 Nf6 5.e5 d5 should be quite pleasant for Black. Is there perhaps something more recent on 4.d4?
  
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Bishop's Gambit
06/22/04 at 16:46:57
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As even TopNotch seems to think, that the Bishop's Gambit is playable and the Kieseritzky might be the only way to avoid a draw after 3.Nf3 g5 I would like to draw some attention to the following line.
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Bc4 Nc6! (Duras)
A1) 4.Nf3 Bc5 5.d4?! Nxd4! 6.Nxd4 Qh4+ 7.Kf1 d5 is a strong countergambit, but White has 5.Nc3!
A2) 4.Nf3 g5 is the Hanstein Gambit, which is good for Black.
B1) 4.d4 Nf6 5.e5 d5 6.Bb3 Bg4 7.Qd3 Nh5 8.Nh3 is the game Charousek-Tsjigorin,1896 but what about f3!?
B2) 4.d4 Nf6 5.e5 d5 6.Be2 Ne4 7.Bxf4 f6 8.Nf3 fxe5 9.Nxe5 Nxe5 10.Bxe5 Bb4+ 11.c3 o-o 12.Bf3 Qg5 Flamberg-Duras,1912, 13.o-o Qe3| 14.Kh1 Nf2+ 15.Rxf2 Qxf2 16.Bxd5+ Kh8 17.Nd2 unclear.
What is the best way to meet 3...Nc6 ?
  

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