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Re: Playing Black...
Reply #17 - 08/15/05 at 01:19:23
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There is one thing about the French that may be an indicator for what s/he may play against 1.d4.

The French is an active, counter-attacking game that relies on an intricate interplay between pawns structure and piece play.  I don't know about others, but I look for very active play as Black without sacrificing a certain fundamental respect for the advantage of the first move.   

This means that I look for an opening that has a track record for results.  I don't mind defending for a while if the resulting positions give me chances to win!  For me, the Slav fits this description perfectly, but I can see other Francophiles picking up completely different openings that also fulfill the basic requirements of being active w/o going over the top.
  
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Reply #16 - 08/15/05 at 00:38:27
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And French is pretty central to both d4 and e4 setups and the plans are quite universal. The defense is neither open type nor closed type. It can be semi-open or semi-closed. You can play on the queen side opening c file or you can open f file. Centre can be fluid or closed as in Rubienstien and Advance respectively.

This makes it as TN puts it, as clear as mud. This perhaps, is the reason why denfense to 1.d4 has no pattern among French players
  

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Reply #15 - 08/13/05 at 23:32:32
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Its hard to pin these French defence players down, they can play virtually anything with black and usually do.

So far I haven't noticed any particular pattern or profile that fits French defence players, for instance Radjabov plays French and Kings Indian, while Korchnoi plays French but wouldn't dream of playing the KID.

There you have it, clear as mud.

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Reply #14 - 08/13/05 at 23:08:50
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When I first started playing the French it was in part because I liked the black side of the Benoni and understood (or at the time I thought I understood) the resulting positions.  I now realise I understand very little, and I play primarily the French and Slav as Black.  I have much the same experience as Glycerinpony does and aim for the Euwe (cheers, Willempie!) lines. 

  
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Re: Playing Black...
Reply #13 - 08/13/05 at 16:42:12
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I play the slav. I've tried the Chebanenko once, but recently
white has been having good results with the c5 advance, so 
now I dare not play it again. Instead I go for 4.-,dc4 hoping
for something like the main variation with a black bishop on
b4 (the Winawer connection again) and a generally solid game.



  
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Reply #12 - 07/16/05 at 06:54:15
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Quote:

Obviously I'm wrong and over-simplifying.  I've a feeling Watson and Pshakis know more about these things than I do!


True, Watson and Psakhis know teensy bit more than us
Grin But once you are used to white centre (French + QGD/Slav say), its quite difficult. My own tryst with Old Indian came to grief and I got back to my QGD Smiley
  

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Re: Playing Black...
Reply #11 - 07/14/05 at 09:37:58
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Yeah, in my head I've always grouped the light-square defences together, and the dark-square defences.  So the Nimzo/Bogo/QID I compared to the French and IZ & Stonewall Dutch and some of the QGD structures.  Then on the dark side I grouped the KID and Benoni and Dragon and Pirc and Leningrad Dutch, all of which can end up looking like each other.  It almost seems like a waste of energy to learn a dark-square defence against d4 and a light-square against e4.   

Obviously I'm wrong and over-simplifying.  I've a feeling Watson and Pshakis know more about these things than I do!
  
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Reply #10 - 07/14/05 at 07:40:10
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Interesting!  I hadn't looked at it that way.  By the same token, Pedersen is also an advocate of the Semi-Slav.  But I would imagine that the Benoni makes some sense, since it is a counter-attacking defense, where Black concedes space in order to strike back after locking the center...
  

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Reply #9 - 07/14/05 at 07:27:44
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I've always thought there to be a kinship between Frenchand Benoni. Or does it only look that way because of the most prominent authors on these defenses, Watson and Psakhis ?
  
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Reply #8 - 07/10/05 at 16:55:26
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I like to play the Winawer French and feel comfortable playing against White's weakend queenside. As such, I play the Nimzo, since I feel more at home, playing again against the doubled pawns on the c file.

I have to admit that I prefer Nc3 over Nf3, against which I play the Bogo-Indian.
  
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Re: Playing Black...
Reply #7 - 07/10/05 at 01:27:00
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I play the Dutch against 1. d4, through the 1...e6 move order.  The Stonewall is my favorite variation of the Dutch.  I like locked centers.  In the past I've also played the Benoni.   

And though you haven't asked, against 1. c4, I play 1...e5.  Sometimes I play this with an early ...f5, when it resembles the IZ Dutch.  Sometimes I'll play the Reversed Dragon.  I like the position as White or Black.
  
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Re: Playing Black...
Reply #6 - 07/08/05 at 23:28:30
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When I sit down as black and white plays 1.d4 I still answer with e6 hoping that white will play 2.e4. Even if the don't (and believe it or not, a decent amount do. Maybe not on the 2nd move, but ussualy by the 3rd or 4th move they do) I still reply with 2. ... d5. I'm so used to having a blocked Bishop that it really doesn't bother me anymore!  Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #5 - 11/14/04 at 21:18:47
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regarding pawn structure and the nature of position, I think Slav, especially the a6 variation (Chebanenko). Like the French expert GM Sergey Volkov used it succesfully.
  
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Reply #4 - 11/14/04 at 16:27:38
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I play the Leningrad Dutch against 1.d4 

As an attacking French Defence player I can think of nothing worse than a d4 d5 type position where black is just a bit worse and claims victory by equalising at move 25!
  
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Re: Playing Black...
Reply #3 - 11/14/04 at 03:38:03
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I've noticed that the Dutch and the King's Indian are typical favorite defenses against 1.d4 among French players.  (Makes sense, right?  The counterattacking spirit associated with black's asymmetrically confrontation to white's central occupation is a strong similarity.  For example, the King's Indian often involves counterattacking within a central pawn chain structure, as does the French.)
  

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Reply #2 - 11/13/04 at 21:52:50
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Rolf Schwarz already stated in 1964, that Dutchmen should be good French too ...
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Reply #1 - 11/12/04 at 06:42:27
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In my experience, those who play the Winawer also like the Nimzo/Queen's Indian or a Modern Benoni instead of the QI after 3.Nf3. 

Those who prefer 3...dxe4 or 3...Nf6 are more likely to go for a Queen's Gambit or the King's Indian.
  
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Playing Black...
11/11/04 at 23:16:46
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Maybe I can piggyback on ILS's query and ask what French players typically play as Black against 1 d4?
  

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