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Re: García, Note One
Reply #10 - 02/06/05 at 18:23:30
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The following is the first article by García on the Antoshin Dutch. The notes and analysis are solely his.

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Many thanks for this!

The best book references I have found so far on the Hort-Antoshin are:

ECO A (1979) with five lines and numerous footnotes - this  section is by Botvinnik!

Hollaendisch bis Bird-Eroeffnung by Taimanov,  1983, with nearly ten pages on it.

Dutch defence by Christiansen & Silman, 1989, with four pages on it.

As far as I can see,  NCO (section by Gallagher, p. 114) just has the following lines:

1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 d6 4.Nf3 c6 5.g3 [5.Bg5 Nbd7 6.e3 e5? (6...g6 unclear) 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qc2! e4 9.Nd4 Ne5 10.0-0-0±; 5.Qc2 Na6 6.a3 g6 7.e4 fxe4 8.Nxe4 Nxe4 9.Qxe4 Bf5 10.Qh4 Bg7 11.Be2 e5!=] 5...Qc7 6.Bg2 e5 7.0-0 e4 8.Ne1 [8.Ng5 h6 9.Nh3 Qf7 10.d5 g5 unclear] 8...Be7 9.f3 exf3 10.exf3 0-0 11.Nd3 +=
  
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Reply #9 - 02/06/05 at 12:01:47
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The following is the first article by García on the Antoshin Dutch. The notes and analysis are solely his.

Dutch Defense – Antoshin Variation, Note One
By Hebert Pérez García
Translated by Mitchell A. Stern

"An Interesting Novelty in an Old Variation"

     For many years from time to time I have played the Antoshin Variation of the Dutch Defense. It is one of those variations which is often used because of its “surprise factor” and can still give you good results against experienced opponents. This is especially true when black is granted certain liberties on the kingside. But I must advise the reader not to abuse its surprise value and use it systematically. Remember that “all that glitters is not gold.” 
     The Antoshin variation reached its height in the mid-1960s and was promoted by GM Vladmir Antoshin in a spectacular article called “7.5 out of 8 in the Dutch…” which was translated into several different languages. You can imagine the impact caused by such a title. Furthermore, amongst the victims of Antoshin were GMs Victor Korchnoi and Lev Polugaevsky.
     In future articles I will discuss the various complexities of this complicated variation, but now let us examine the first example cited by Antoshin in his famous article and the theoretical contributions he made to this variation.

(1) Selesniev,A - Antoshin,V [A85]
URS, 1960
[Pérez García,Hebert]
1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 d6 4.g3 c6 5.Bg2 Qc7 The characteristic move of the Antoshin, planning to seize the initiative in the center with the ...e5 advance 6.Nf3 e5 7.dxe5!? [Theory recommends 7.0–0! with the dangerous threat of 8. dxe5 followed by 9. e4. However, we will first occupy ourselves with this alternative. The disadvantage of the exchange on e5 is that it frees black's king bishop] 7...dxe5 8.0–0 Bb4! putting pressure on the important e4-square 9.Qb3 good alternatives are [9.Qc2 or; 9.Bd2] 9...Na6 10.e4 according to Antoshin, this is a dubious try to open up the game at the cost of a pawn. Nevertheless, I don't think this is the last word on this idea 10...fxe4 11.Ng5 Bxc3 12.Qxc3 Bf5 13.Re1? after this error, black dominates the game and white's position is very poor. The rest of the game leads to a premature conclusion. The next example revitalized white's plan and led to a re-evaluation of the pawn sacrifice. 13...Nc5 14.b4 Nd3 15.Re2 0–0 16.Nxe4 Nxe4 17.Bxe4 Bxe4 18.Rxe4 Nxf2 19.Rxe5 Rad8 20.c5 Qf7 21.Bg5 Rd3 0–1

     In the semi-finals of the 1981 Dutch Championship, I played against Dutch IM Leon Pliester, who unleashed an interesting and strong novelty:

(2) Pliester,L - Pérez García,H [A85]
NED-ch sf Eindhoven, 1981
[Pérez García,Hebert]
1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 d6 4.g3 c6 5.Bg2 Qc7 6.Nf3 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.0–0 Bb4  9.Qb3 Na6 10.e4 fxe4 11.Ng5 Bxc3 12.Qxc3 Bf5 13.f3! This is Pliester's novelty. The opening of the position definitely compensates for the invested material. White's pieces are ready to exploit their own strengths and to take advantage of black's weak dark squares. If these impressions are correct, then this line raises serious concern for the Antoshin system 13...Nc5 14.fxe4 Bg6 15.Qe3 Qe7 16.b3 0–0 17.Ba3± Pliester went on to finish the game in a convincing manner 1-0

     Although we now have an abundance of databases with millions of games, I had not found any other relevant practical examples since my game against Pliester. Fifteen years after that encounter, I had the apportunity to introduce an improvement for black which appears to have theoretical value.  

(3) Obers,F - Pérez García,H [A85]
Enschede Tt KNSB (9), 1995
[Pérez García,Hebert]
1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 d6 4.g3 c6 5.Bg2 Qc7 6.Nf3 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.e4 Bb4 9.Qb3 Na6 10.0–0 Bd6!? This is my novelty! With the text move, black consolidates the central e5-pawn and wins time for the centralization of the Na6 due to the vulnerable position of the Qb3 (threat: Nc5). 11.Qc2 g6! 12.Re1 0–0 13.Qe2 The queen must find a more suitable spot to prevent black's tactical threats 13...Nc5 [Also deserving of consideration were the lines after 13...fxe4 14.Ng5 Bg4 15.Qc2 Nc5 etc.] 14.Bh6 [14.exf5 would have been bad because of 14...Bxf5 15.Nxe5 Rae8 16.f4 Nd3 with excellent play for black] 14...Re8 15.exf5 Bxf5 16.Rad1? [16.Bg5 was the correct move. This position is critical in determining the merits of black's opening] 16...Ne6?! [16...e4 was better and would have given black a clear advantage] 17.Be3 Bg4 18.h3?? this grave error costs white the game [White ought to have played 18.Qc2 or; 18.Qd3] 18...Nd4 19.Rxd4 exd4 0–1

       This practical example provides a strong incentive to give 10…Bd6!? further attention and more detailed analysis. For the moment this is my own conclusion, the reader may think differently. Your suggestions are most welcome.

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Re: What about the Antoshin Dutch?
Reply #8 - 02/05/05 at 22:19:08
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I have looked at a few lines and think that the positions with an isolated queen's pawn rather favour Black. Indeed I have found some games, in which Black played Qc7-f7. Compared to the Leningrad, I think the bishop is on e7 at least as good as on g7; black very often will play it to d6, c5 or b4. On g7 I do not see how it contributes to the attack.
Having said this, I have not found (yet) a satisfactory reply to Lilienthal's 6.d5. Maybe AmateurDragoneer could translate, what Perez Garcia writes about this?
  

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Re: What about the Antoshin Dutch?
Reply #7 - 02/05/05 at 14:57:34
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- the feeling that I think many Dutch practitioners have that the black queen is probably misplaced at c7 - it generally needs to be able to travel  to the kingside.


This does look like a fun line to throw White for a loop.  Can't the queen on c7 work its way over to the kingside along the seventh rank after the inevitable e5?  I'm sure it is slower than it would be in most lines of the IZ or Leningrad, but it does look as though this line would make for an intriguing secondary line...
  

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Re: What about the Antoshin Dutch?
Reply #6 - 02/05/05 at 12:22:23
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I have heard from my friend that an old player named Antoshin played a Dutch system with f5,Nf6,d6,c6,Qc7!? preparing an eventual e5 with Bd6 etc.I haven't found smthing about that in the web. Do u have any information about this? Is this good in certain white set-ups and bad in other?


I remember that Hort also played this a bit in the early sixties. Interest in it faded quickly, for three reasons I think:

- overall lack of popularity of the Dutch at that time;
- specific difficulties in a couple of lines of the Hort-Antoshin; 
- the feeling that I think many Dutch practitioners have that the black queen is probably misplaced at c7 - it generally needs to be able to travel  to the kingside.

Still, it may well be worth a second look forty years on.....

Which reminds me, I remember a club colleague in the early 1970s showing us one night his latest "invention":  the move 7...Qe8 after 1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.c4 0-0 6.0-0 d6 7.Nc3. How we (the stronger players in the club) all laughed! Ye gods, the g6 pawn was in the way - what the hell was he thinking of?  Well, wherever he is now, if he still keep up with developments in chess, he must feel well vindicated.
  
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Re: What about the Antoshin Dutch?
Reply #5 - 02/05/05 at 11:36:27
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This looks like fascinating stuff. If anyone is interested, I can translate some of the Garcia analysis from the link provided by TalJechin.
  
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Re: What about the Antoshin Dutch?
Reply #4 - 02/04/05 at 22:27:05
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The system looks quite playable. In the Mnb line the weak e-pawn are very well compensated by active pieces. But of course, a bishop on e7 rather than g7 give the play rather a more solid,  than dynamic flavour.
  
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Re: What about the Antoshin Dutch?
Reply #3 - 02/03/05 at 22:03:36
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Long live my old sources. Schwarz (1964) and Taimanov (1980) mention the Antosjin Variation. Both are suspicious, because of 1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 d6 4.c4 c6 5.Nc3 Qc7 6.Nf3 (or 6.d5 Lilienthal-Saizev, Jalta 1964) e5 7.o-o and according to T Black has a weak pawn after Be7 8.dxe5 dxe5 9.e4. In stead e4 8.Ne3 Be7 9.f3 was good for White in Udovcic-Antosjin,1964.
  

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Re: What about the Antoshin Dutch?
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Here's a link to some analysis on the Hort Antoshin Variation:

http://www.ajedrez-de-estilo.com.ar/ade/jag/perezgar.htm
  
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Re: What about the Antoshin Dutch?
Reply #1 - 02/03/05 at 19:08:18
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Fascinating! I'm not qualified to say when this system might be good but I can tell you that Antoshin played it numerous times with good results! Have a look at these games:

Etruk--A, Leningrad 62
Udovcic--A, Leningrad 64
Bertok--A, Zagreb 65
Golovko--A, Moscow 70
Filipovic--A, Rubinstein Memorial 70
Szabo--A, Budapest 73
Romanishin--A, Cienfuegos 77
Moehring--A, Sochi 79
Grigorian--A, Baku 80
Vaganian--A, Moscow 82
Gulko--A, Moscow 82
Aseev--A, Moscow 82 (a L'grad with an early ...g6/...c6)
Vyzmanavin--A, Moscow 84
  
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What about the Antoshin Dutch?
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I have heard from my friend that an old player named Antoshin played a Dutch system with f5,Nf6,d6,c6,Qc7!? preparing an eventual e5 with Bd6 etc.I haven't found smthing about that in the web. Do u have any information about this? Is this good in certain white set-ups and bad in other?
  
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