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Re: Leningrad Dutch with Nh6
Reply #4 - 03/23/05 at 22:28:52
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Assuming that 1964 German sources are not available in English speaking countries, I will summarize something from Schwarz' book on the Dutch:

1.d4 f5 2.g3 g6 3.Bg2 Bg7 4.Nf3 d6 (if you like it weird, take a look at Nievergelt-Walther, Zürich 1959; Barcza gives 10...a5 and 14...Nc7 as improvements) 5.b3 (5.o-o Nh6 Dittmann-Ciocaltea, Olympiad 1956; Schwarz gives 14.h4! +- and thinks Black's 11th move weak) Nc6 (Schwarz thinks Nh6 6.Bb2 o-o 7.o-o f4 better) 6.Bb2 Nh6 (Schwarz: Black plans a setup with o-o, Nf7 and e5) 7.Nc3! e6 (Pirc thinks e5 a bad move) 8.Qd2 Pirc-Alexander, Olympiad 1954, and Schwarz writes that Nf7 is consequent.
But here I suspect that 9.o-o-o and 10.h4 is simply strong. After Schwarz' suggestion 5...Nh6 6.Bb2 o-o the same plan 7.Nc3 Nf7 8.Qd2 can be met with e5!?

"At first I had hopes for 6...O-O 7.Bd5+ Kh8 8.Ne6 Bxe6 9.Bxe6 d5". Is Black really that bad after 10.c4 dxc4 11.Bxc4 Nc6 with pressure against d4?

I have found almost 200 games with this Nh6 idea. Black has not done too bad.
  
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Re: Leningrad Dutch with Nh6
Reply #3 - 03/23/05 at 18:08:27
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My Suggestion:1.d4 f5 2.g3 d6 3.Bg2 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.O-O Nh6 6 Ng5!!?
White take advantage of that h6 is illegal and stops Nf7 at least for a few moves. A surprise knight move is met by..... a surprise knight move  Wink


It's an interesting reply. At first I had hopes for 6...O-O 7.Bd5+ Kh8 8.Ne6 Bxe6 9.Bxe6 d5 trying to trap the bishop, but it can get out after 10.c4 and 11.Nc3. So maybe just 6...c6. The plan is O-O and Nf7, exchange knights and then complete development with the knight going either a6-c7 or d7-f6. It looks like white will be slightly better because of his better structure, but that's generally true of the Dutch anyway.
  
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Re: Leningrad Dutch with Nh6
Reply #2 - 03/23/05 at 17:24:03
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I think the concept is interesting and creative.
My thaughts about it are that Nh6 not only leads to lose of controll of e4 but also d5, and theoretically this should give  a good edge somehow. Practically things are different and i think scheme Nf7-pawnc6-pawne5 will give a very solid and at worst only slightly inferior position.

My Suggestion:1.d4 f5 2.g3 d6 3.Bg2 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.O-O Nh6 6 Ng5!!?
White take advantage of that h6 is illegal and stops Nf7 at least for a few moves. A surprise knight move is met by..... a surprise knight move  Wink
  
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Re: Leningrad Dutch with Nh6
Reply #1 - 03/23/05 at 16:46:21
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If you can get ahold of Harding's old book on the Leningrad from 1975 or so, he has a nice chapter on this, which he calls "Basman's Variation". I've never seen much else on the line.

I seem to recall that it was key that after e4 by White, Black played ...fxe4 and a quick ...d5.  The Nh6 going to f7 covered a lot of weak points in the Black position.

The main problem with the line is that you can only play it when White castles early, since ...Nh6 before White castles invites h4-h5 with a strong attack.
  

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Leningrad Dutch with Nh6
03/23/05 at 15:55:58
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Is there any particular reason why Nh6 is so much rarer than Nf6 in the Leningrad Dutch? I ask this because I play the Bilek system in the Modern, i.e. 1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.e4 f5, which is risky but playable. In this line Black allows e4, and then often plays Nh6, for instance after 5.Nf3. As I understand it the reason for Nf6 is to hold up e4, but if e4 isn't much of a threat then I'd rather have my knight on h6 than f6, as the knight on f6 just seems to get in the way. I've tried searching my database but I've found very few games, and certainly nothing that looks terrifying. The sort of line I'm considering is 1.d4 f5 2.g3 d6 3.Bg2 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.O-O Nh6 rather than Nf6.

Has anyone got experience of / thoughts about this approach?
  
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