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Re: Challenging the Grunfeld
Reply #31 - 01/19/12 at 12:08:51
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zen_learner wrote on 12/30/11 at 21:09:31:
If you want a 2011 Grunfeld book you have 2 choices

1) Better: Avrukh's books, Quality Chess

2) Chess Stars (Delchev). Ok, but some weird recommendations. Positive side: One volume and perhaps more friendly format?

For understanding Grunfeld, Rowson's is best, but it is certainly VERY DATED now.


Can you be more specific - which lines do you think are weird?
  
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Re: Challenging the Grunfeld
Reply #30 - 01/19/12 at 03:18:04
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zen_learner wrote on 12/30/11 at 21:09:31:
If you want a 2011 Grunfeld book you have 2 choices

1) Better: Avrukh's books, Quality Chess

2) Chess Stars (Delchev). Ok, but some weird recommendations. Positive side: One volume and perhaps more friendly format?

For understanding Grunfeld, Rowson's is best, but it is certainly VERY DATED now.


As seen in another thread, Avrukh's repertoire isn't really faring any better than this.

The good news for White is that there are many alternatives that give a nice, playable game. The bad news is that there's no single line that gives white a clear edge against best play.
  
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Re: Challenging the Grunfeld
Reply #29 - 12/30/11 at 21:09:31
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If you want a 2011 Grunfeld book you have 2 choices

1) Better: Avrukh's books, Quality Chess

2) Chess Stars (Delchev). Ok, but some weird recommendations. Positive side: One volume and perhaps more friendly format?

For understanding Grunfeld, Rowson's is best, but it is certainly VERY DATED now.
  
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Re: Challenging the Grunfeld
Reply #28 - 11/27/11 at 01:21:07
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Rather too dismissive of White's chances, I would say.
  
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Re: Challenging the Grunfeld
Reply #27 - 11/25/11 at 18:07:51
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Black is in a fine shape. Even in a line discarded above as bad for black (7...0-0 8.Be2 c5 9.0-0) Black is doing very well with 9...b6. Even the silly-looking 9...Qa5 is far from harmless.
  
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Re: Challenging the Grunfeld
Reply #26 - 11/25/11 at 16:25:11
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There is nothing unsound about it, but in two critcal lines, White is having some problems demonstrating an advantage. One is 8.Rb1 0-0 9.Be2 cxd4 10.cxd4 Qa4+ 11.Bd2 Qxa2 12.0-0 Bg4!, the other is 10...Nc6 11.d5 Ne5 12.Nxe5 Bxe5 13.Qd2 e6 14.f4 Bc7!. I think that in a weekend tourament setting and the like, it remains a good method for White, assuming that he wants to learn a good deal of theory.
  
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Re: Challenging the Grunfeld
Reply #25 - 11/25/11 at 13:20:22
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There are still a few ELO 2500+ GM's who play it, with mixed results. Pelletier lost twice with 8.Rb1 O-O 9.Be2 in Biel, but that might be because of his clearly stronger opponents.
  
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Re: Challenging the Grunfeld
Reply #24 - 11/25/11 at 10:31:10
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Apologies for bumping an old thread but thought it was better than creating a single topic new one.

My question is whether this Grunfeld repertoire still holds up in 2011? Or the core of it at least, I don't mind spending some time updating some of the critical lines as long as it's not a complete overhaul.

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Re: Challenging the Grunfeld
Reply #23 - 10/06/05 at 14:09:01
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Indeed, life was easy before Kasparov. You only had to have one book Botwinnik/Estrin. 
Adorjans book was also not bad. There was a second edition where I think Gutman?  covered all the new stuff on the Sevilla-variation.
For those who fear the Carlsbad structure after 4.Nf3/5.Bg5 get Rowsons book for a good explanation how to handle this. 

  
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Re: Challenging the Grunfeld
Reply #22 - 09/16/05 at 12:02:41
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7...O-O 8.Be2! c5 9.O-O and black doesn' have enough pressure e.g.:

9...cxd4 10.cxd4 Nc6 11.Be3 Bg4 12.d5! +/-

see Yermo's Road to Chess Improvement for more details.

also note that 7.Be3 O-O is fine as black can play a quick Qa5 more or less forcing Qd2 transposing (I tried gamiting recently but it didn't turn out too well)
  
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Re: Challenging the Grunfeld
Reply #21 - 09/13/05 at 13:30:52
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7...0-0 where? the main line was supposed to be 7...c5 ?

What are you talking about? same book?

Worthless? WHY? (It is free to criticise, a little harder to REASON your arguments...)


A bit of respect for the work of others, pls...
  
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Re: Challenging the Grunfeld
Reply #20 - 09/09/05 at 05:34:08
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7 .. 0-0 isnt that good Wink
  
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Re: Challenging the Grunfeld
Reply #19 - 09/08/05 at 08:36:37
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no offense, but 7. ...0-0 and the book is worthless;
  
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Re: Challenging the Grunfeld
Reply #18 - 09/05/05 at 16:31:45
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I have been playing the Grunfeld as black for 30+ years. Life was easy before Kasparov started playing it!

I found Edward's book a very good summary of the current state of the art... even though there was little in the way of new things for me. 

From the black side of things I found it useful to have an idea of the problems I may face if I switched lines (I play and obscure line that has given me a performance well over 400 points above my rating, but unfortunately is no good). The coverage is good AND NOT BIASED, a good thing in my view.

Grunfeld books are not that common and most are truly horrendous, possible the worst could be Lalic's and Adorjan's is currently pretty laughable. Many lines, you switch Fritz on and +- immediately. But Adorjan's was a better effort than Lalic, just books at that time were much worse...

Problem is also what a book adds to current databases. In that respects Dearing's books is excellent....

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Re: Challenging the Grunfeld
Reply #17 - 07/28/05 at 09:31:01
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Hi guys,

Sorry Markovich - I am not quite sure I understand your point. 

In answer to ArKhein's question, yes the Grunfeld is still entirely playable. The 8.Rb1 line offers an advantage in many lines, however there is still a lot of unexplored territory, and several variations merely give rise to unclear middlegame positions.

Although the book is written partly from the White perspective (in the sense that it is a White system) the dominant purpose of the book was to explore the critical lines in the Modern Exchange Variation from an objective perspective, offering suitable coverage to make it useful for both colours.

Each illustrative game is followed by a brief conclusion, and there are also summaries at the end of each chapter, pointing out where White is doing well, and where Black's defensive resources are causing problems.

I hope this helps. Thanks for the interest,

Eddie.
  
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