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Re: Endgame-play. (yes, no opening-theory here..)
Reply #54 - 01/26/07 at 10:33:12
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Re: Endgame-play. (yes, no opening-theory here..)
Reply #53 - 12/12/06 at 17:07:27
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A useful way to approach endgame study is to pay special attention to those that arise most often from the openings that you play and try to master them.

Secrets of Practical Chess by John Nunn had an excellent section on the endgame where he focused primarily on a need to know approach. This book would make a wonderful addition to any chess library, and if you absorb the condensed contents fully you will master the two drawing techniques involved in Rook and Bishop vs Bishop endings as well as how to go about trying to win this ending, particularly against inferior defence or a clueless opponent.

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Re: Endgame-play. (yes, no opening-theory here..)
Reply #52 - 11/13/06 at 23:31:44
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After watching the Karsten Mueller Endgame DVD, I think I can see now that in this ending the Black Rook is optimally placed to keep the White King off the 8th rank and also keeping a checking distance of 3 squares, so Black has to move the King. Easy peasy  Wink
  

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Re: Endgame-play. (yes, no opening-theory here..)
Reply #51 - 11/13/06 at 19:10:33
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IMJohnCox wrote on 11/13/06 at 17:38:50:
This position came up in Neil Berry-Andrew Martin, 4NCL a while ago. I was watching my team mate NB, who held comfortably as Black (in fact he was White, but anyway) with two minutes left on his clock for the rest of the game. I was impressed at the time, but I didn't realise Neil ought to be at this level on this form.

I was watching with Richard Webb. I had no idea what Black should play, although I had the idea Richard was probably a bit better educated than me. I too remembered Rd6 as being cunning but no more than that. You can see why ...Kg6 is counterintuitive, can't you? I suppose that's the only function of the rook on the sixth, to make ....Kg6 seem dangerous?

(I assume after ....Ra7 it's not Rd7 that wins but Ke8; is that right? Otherwise I can't see what Black would do if the rook were not on d6 but d1.)

After Ra7+ Ke8 black cant avoid a Lucena or whatever the position is called. R goes to the c-line via d8 or you set up the bridge position.
After Rb8 white just goes Rd1 and you dont have enough checks as black.
  

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Reply #50 - 11/13/06 at 17:52:13
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Yes John, Ke8 is the answer to Ra7.
... and was what Aronian played (then Carlsen resigned)
  
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Re: Endgame-play. (yes, no opening-theory here..)
Reply #49 - 11/13/06 at 17:38:50
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This position came up in Neil Berry-Andrew Martin, 4NCL a while ago. I was watching my team mate NB, who held comfortably as Black (in fact he was White, but anyway) with two minutes left on his clock for the rest of the game. I was impressed at the time, but I didn't realise Neil ought to be at this level on this form.

I was watching with Richard Webb. I had no idea what Black should play, although I had the idea Richard was probably a bit better educated than me. I too remembered Rd6 as being cunning but no more than that. You can see why ...Kg6 is counterintuitive, can't you? I suppose that's the only function of the rook on the sixth, to make ....Kg6 seem dangerous?

(I assume after ....Ra7 it's not Rd7 that wins but Ke8; is that right? Otherwise I can't see what Black would do if the rook were not on d6 but d1.)
  
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Reply #48 - 11/13/06 at 17:25:34
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First,
Strange all of U are talking about Rb8? Because that move was never played.... Roll Eyes (Carlsen played Ra7+)

Second,
Of course Carlsen knew this ending....
I have bigger mistakes (even at this level) before!
  
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Reply #47 - 11/13/06 at 09:00:54
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Klick wrote on 11/12/06 at 17:15:24:
Interesting position in Tal Memorial today

http://aycu35.webshots.com/image/6394/2000954329495638095_rs.jpg
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Black blundered and lost after Rb8?? Kg6 was the only correct move. I remember looking at this a few years ago and that Rd6 was a tricky move that Black had to show great care against.

Are you serious?
Seems like the spoiled little brat should get some endgame lessons Wink
This position is in most endgame books I know of. I think even including Flear's improve your endgame which is aimed at about 1600-1700 elo.
  

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Reply #46 - 11/12/06 at 22:01:24
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Yes, my Averbakh endgame CD also has this ending, also with the Rd6!? try. In my database I have found 2 games that reached this position (Van Der Sterren - Kuijf 1983 and Van Ho - Orr 1992). In both cases black, which were master strength players, went for ...Rb8? and lost.
  
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Re: Endgame-play. (yes, no opening-theory here..)
Reply #45 - 11/12/06 at 21:01:31
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Yes this is a chess classic - Speelman's ending book calls it 'white's most cunning move'.

This is ending is actually quite tough to defend in practice. I am surprised that Carlsen didn't seem to know it !

Finally it would be good to have an endgame section and maybe also one for combinations !! Here's hoping and Tony K are you watching?

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Re: Endgame-play. (yes, no opening-theory here..)
Reply #44 - 11/12/06 at 19:15:12
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Klck, 

I haven't actually looked, but isn't this exact position covered in Rook Endings by Levenfisch and Smyslov????

I too remember studying this position and specifically remember ...Rb8 was a losing move.

  
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Re: Endgame-play. (yes, no opening-theory here..)
Reply #43 - 11/12/06 at 17:15:24
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Interesting position in Tal Memorial today


Aronian-Carlsen


Black blundered and lost after Rb8?? Kg6 was the only correct move. I remember looking at this a few years ago and that Rd6 was a tricky move that Black had to show great care against.
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Re: Endgame-play. (yes, no opening-theory here..)
Reply #42 - 06/03/06 at 11:24:04
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Well it's worth ressurecting to add fuel to a desire for an Endgame section on Chesspub Smiley

As for endgame study, I've got by fine with Howell's "Essential Chess Endings" which concentrates on the typical endings which are most likely to occur in practice, and includes sussinct sections on QvR and R+BvR discussed in this thread. I've got Shereshevsky's Endgame strategy and Fundamental Chess Endings, but they are both still on my "to read" pile.

A while back I went through my games, picked out the ones that reached (non-trivial win) endings, and then worked out my rating performance from them. It came to about the same as my actual grade, so my endgame knowledge, though with much scope for improvement, isn't a problem at the moment on limited study.
  

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Reply #41 - 06/02/06 at 21:41:59
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Is it true? Is it really almost a whole year since anyone posted anything here?! What a scandal!  Angry 

Let me revive this thread gently by challenging you all in a QUIZ : http://www.arrakis.es/~lago/tests/basrook/basrook1b.htm
  

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Re: Endgame-play. (yes, no opening-theory here..)
Reply #40 - 07/18/05 at 00:09:38
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Boy, this is embarrassing Embarrassed   

MNb, you are right, I don't have the correct move number.  After 40.b4 Rf7! 41.Rh6 (I'll look at an earlier Ke3, but I don't think it will work), Black is still better after 41...Ke5 42.Ke3.  Unfortunately, it isn't enough to win.  Concrete variations to follow.
  
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