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linksspringer Senior Member Offline Posts: 376 Joined: 09/25/07	Re: The North Sea Defence Reply #23 - 10/01/10 at 08:49:43	Post Tools	Print Post
	Viking wrote on 09/30/10 at 16:51:39: Magnus on his game with Adams quoted from his blog (http://www.arcticsec.no/index.php?button=blog&main_image=35) Quote: Despite the unusual opening choice I was happy with my position entering the middle game. Becoming a bit too optimistic I played for a win but underestimated his attack and lost deservedly. Exactly. Magnus came out of the opening with a very reasonable position. But because he lost I see comments on the internet like trash, junk, dodgy, rude to his teammates etc. Mildly annoying.


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Viking God Member Offline Posts: 673 Location: Norway Joined: 10/12/04 Gender:	Re: The North Sea Defence Reply #22 - 09/30/10 at 16:51:39	Post Tools	Print Post
	Magnus on his game with Adams quoted from his blog (http://www.arcticsec.no/index.php?button=blog&main_image=35) Quote: Despite the unusual opening choice I was happy with my position entering the middle game. Becoming a bit too optimistic I played for a win but underestimated his attack and lost deservedly.


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MartinC God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 2115 Joined: 07/24/06	Re: The North Sea Defence Reply #21 - 09/28/10 at 09:16:29	Post Tools	Print Post
	Clearly As I remember he came terribly close to losing to Adams in the London tournament last winter, so you'd think he'd take him half way seriously! I guess its hard for him to get motivated when he's not really playing for anything beyond pride.


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Seth_Xoma God Member Offline FM with 2 IM Norms - (2381) Posts: 558 Location: Lansing Joined: 11/05/04 Gender:	Re: The North Sea Defence Reply #20 - 09/28/10 at 02:00:28	Post Tools	Print Post
	Teenagers. Clearly Magnus is already bored with his 2800 rating!


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gewgaw God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 687 Location: europe Joined: 09/09/04	Re: The North Sea Defence Reply #19 - 09/27/10 at 19:39:29	Post Tools	Print Post
	It seems Magnus just wants to play funchess, his play against Adams was just begging for problems and a loss. It seems, he doesn´t take his opponents seriously, maybe Garri should take a call with him.

	The older, the better - over 2200 and still rising.
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Viking God Member Offline Posts: 673 Location: Norway Joined: 10/12/04 Gender:	Re: The North Sea Defence Reply #18 - 09/27/10 at 17:56:31	Post Tools	Print Post
	Carlsen does have a very good score against Adams. Still Adams is a bit too strong to play cat and mouse... Carlsen should leave the northsea for ICC blitz...


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TicklyTim Senior Member Offline can I take that back, please... Posts: 274 Location: England Joined: 05/29/09 Gender:	Re: The North Sea Defence Reply #17 - 09/27/10 at 15:22:03	Post Tools	Print Post
	Yes, North Sea not for casual swimmers. I would be interested in Carlsens thought process in deciding to play this vs Adams. Though I do think the opening in this game went ok for Black.


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Bibs God Member Offline Posts: 2342 Joined: 10/24/06	Re: The North Sea Defence Reply #16 - 09/27/10 at 13:13:00	Post Tools	Print Post
	Didn't work too well tho'. Adams 1-0 Carlsen Turned out nice again.


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TicklyTim Senior Member Offline can I take that back, please... Posts: 274 Location: England Joined: 05/29/09 Gender:	Re: The North Sea Defence Reply #15 - 09/27/10 at 11:21:58	Post Tools	Print Post
	... and now Carlsen plays it versus a 2700+!! Maybe this opening has no refutation after all. It certainly is a different way to go.


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Göran Senior Member Offline ChessPublishing is great! Posts: 454 Location: Sweden Joined: 02/13/08 Gender:	Re: The North Sea Defence Reply #14 - 07/24/09 at 00:06:21	Post Tools	Print Post
	Stefan Bücker has a longer article on Chesscafe.com about the North Sea defense: http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kaiss33.pdf

	What kind of proof is that?
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Göran Senior Member Offline ChessPublishing is great! Posts: 454 Location: Sweden Joined: 02/13/08 Gender:	Re: The North Sea Defence Reply #13 - 07/23/09 at 23:57:40	Post Tools	Print Post
	Tim Harding wrote about the defense on SOAK http://www.soak.com/topic/chess/article/tshow/15906/the+north+sea+defence+refute... "THE NORTH SEA DEFENCE REFUTED? Some years ago, Swedish analysts came up with a hybrid of the Modern and Alekhine's Defences that goes 1 e4 g6 2 d4 Nf6 3 e5 Nh5 4 Nf3 d6. Known as the North Sea Defence, it is still an almost unknown variation -- not mentioned in most theory books. The defence took a big knock in the high-level postal game D.Stern-G.Hjorth, 1994, when White played 5 Bc4 Nc6 6 Ng5! e6 7 g4! Be7 (If7...Ng7 8 Qf3 Qe7 9 Bb5 Bd7 10 Ne4 when 10...Nxd4 or Nxe5 fails to 11 Nf6+ Kd8 12 Qxb7.) and now Stern played simply 8 Nf3! when the black knight gets stuck on the bad square g7. GM Julian Hodgson and some others have tried to revive this defence by 5...d5. However, this means Black abandons any hope of quick pressure against the white centre. - Tim Harding "

	What kind of proof is that?
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elmudo YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 2 Joined: 07/17/09	Re: The North Sea Defence Reply #12 - 07/23/09 at 22:52:31	Post Tools	Print Post
	Hi everyone! This is my first post here. I was gathering round as much material as I can find available online on the North Sea Defence. Apparently there was lots of interesting stuff posted by Martens himself on the Schackforum, but I can't access it. Do you know if it has been stored elsewhere and can be still accessed?. Thanks in advance! PS Sorry for my English, not a native speaker


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Michael Ayton God Member Offline ‘You’re never alone with a doppelgänger.’ Posts: 1977 Location: durham Joined: 04/19/03 Gender:	Re: The North Sea Defence Reply #11 - 06/27/05 at 12:30:31	Post Tools	Print Post
	Thanks for this. Personally I'd far rather brave the 4 ...d6 lines than shuffle around with 4 ...Ng7, even though that might be playable by analogy with the Alekhine's.


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TalJechin God Member Offline There is no secret ingredient. Posts: 2892 Location: Malmö Joined: 08/12/04 Gender:	Re: The North Sea Defence Reply #10 - 06/27/05 at 10:25:22	Post Tools	Print Post
	Yes you're right Michael, the guru responded thus: 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Nf6 3.e5 Nh5 4.Be2 d6 5.f4 c5 6.dxc5 Qa5+ 7.Nc3 dxe5 8.fxe5 Nc6 9.Nf3 Bg4 10.Be3 Rd8 11.Qc1 Bg7 12.0-0 0-0 13.h3 Bxf3 14.Bxf3 Ng3 15.Re1 Nf5 16.Bf2 Nfd4 17.Bxd4 Rxd4 18.Bxc6 bxc6= as an example of how black's piece play against the weakened centre pawns should be run. I think I will try to take a chess free week now, so I won't act as a forum go between for awhile... Besides, most of the lines given at the swedish forum wouldn't need any translation anyway, but here's a quick list of useful words: vederläggning - refutation skum - murky konstig - strange gardera - defend kass - lousy bondecentrum - pawn centre damen - the queen trevlig(t) / otrevlig(t) - nice / (the opposite of nice) inte kollat - not checked but if you know some english and german, it shouldn't be too hard to guess most of what's written...


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Michael Ayton God Member Offline ‘You’re never alone with a doppelgänger.’ Posts: 1977 Location: durham Joined: 04/19/03 Gender:	Re: The North Sea Defence Reply #9 - 06/27/05 at 04:49:24	Post Tools	Print Post
	In MNb's line with 7 ...de 8 fe, might 8 ...Nc6 be an improvement?


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