Hi,

I have been toying a bit with this position after 10. Nge2 and still prefer the somewhat more concrete 10...Nd7 over 10...b6 followed by 11...e6.

After 10...Nd7 11. Bf2 Nde5 12. Nf4 b6 13. Nfd5 e6 14. Nc7 as in the Gallagher-game black has 14...Nb4 15. Rd1 Rxd1 16. Kxd1 Rb8 = , with my mainline going 17. Bg3 Bb7 18. Kc1 Rd8 19. Be2 Nbd3 20. Bxd3  (20. Kc2 Nxc4 21. Bxd3 Ne3 22. Kd2 Nc4 =) 20...Nxd3 21. Kc2 Nb4 22. Kb3 Nc6 23. Kc2 Nb4 =.

"I've always had a huge soft spot for the line (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.f3 0-0 6.Be3) 6...e5 7.d5 Nh5 8.Qd2 Qh4† 9.g3 Nxg3!? 10.Qf2 Nxf1 11.Qxh4 Nxe3.  I blame Andy Martin, who did a very good sales job in an old King's Indian repertoire book "

Zatso??? Was the game Cox-Martin, Catford, 1982 or so, mentioned at all, I wonder?

I doubt that 10... Nd7 is that unplayable to not even be considered.  10... Nd7 is fine.

1. d4 Nf6 
2. c4 g6 
3. Nc3 Bg7 
4. e4 d6 
5. f3 O-O 
6.Be3 c5 
7. dxc5 dxc5 
8. Qxd8 Rxd8 
9. Bxc5 Nc6 
10. Nge2 Nd7 

I would like to draw your attention that in my previous post,  after  10....  Nd7 Black is still able to play 11... b6
10.... Nd7 does not enable White to have the better of it.  If White continues with the same idea as in the Gallagher game--


11. Bf2 b6 
12. Nf4 (with idea of Nd5)  Nc5 

(12... Bxc3+ 13. bxc3 Ba6 14. Nd5 Rac8 does not look bad either) 

13. Nfd5 e6 
14. Nc7 Rb8 
15. Bh4 Rd7 
16. Ne8 Nb4 
17. Nxg7 Kxg7 
18. Bg3 Ra8 
19. Kf2 Since black plans Rd2 or Rd3 ) Ncd3+ 
20. Bxd3 Nxd3+ 

Black looks good.
???

There is this other possibility:

1. d4 Nf6 
2. c4 g6 
3. Nc3 Bg7 
4. e4 d6 
5. f3 O-O 
6.Be3 c5 
7. dxc5 dxc5 
8. Qxd8 Rxd8 
9. Bxc5 Nc6 
10. Nge2 Nd7 
11. Bf2 Nde5 
12. Nf4 b6 
13. Be2 Ba6 
14. Nb5 Nb4 
15. O-O g5
16. Nd5 Bxb5 
17. cxb5 Nxd5 
18. exd5 Ng6 

Back is OK

Is there something wrong with Gallagher's treatment of 11. Bf2 Nde5 12. Nf4 b6?  I haven't looked at this but he did draw the game quoted in the earlier post by Teyko.

Looks like black probably needs another TN from Teyko!!

I mean do some interesting work in this line because I already have a few questions about his choices

Its cool man. I like doing this stuff its fun. I did not take it personally. 

Thanks for the congrats anyway.

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Oh, the Qxe4 line in the 10.c5 variation of Classical King's Indian. The line was never played and skipped over by Mikalevski because it thought it was inadequate. Nxc5!! in that line is a TN unless someone else thought of it before.

Thanks,

I do what I can. It seems this is a good month for me two TN's and going strong!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey guys check out this game by Gallagher.


[Event "15th European Team Championship"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2005.08.07"]
[EventDate "2005.07.30"]
[Round "9.11"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[White "Frode Elsness"]
[Black "Joseph Gallagher"]
[ECO "E81"]
[WhiteElo "2440"]
[BlackElo "2544"]
[PlyCount "128"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f3 O-O 6. Be3 c5 7. dxc5 dxc5 8. Qxd8 Rxd8 9. Bxc5 Nc6 10. Nge2 Nd7 11. Bf2 Nde5 12. Nf4 b6 13. Nfd5 e6 14. Nc7 Rb8 15. Rd1 Rxd1+ 16. Kxd1 Rb7 17. Ne8 Bf8 18. Bh4 h6 19. f4 Ng4 20. Nf6+ Nxf6 21. Bxf6 Rd7+ 22. Kc1 Bc5 23. g3 Be3+ 24. Kb1 g5 25. fxg5 Bxg5 26. Bxg5 hxg5 27. Be2 Nd4 28. Bh5 Bb7 29. Rd1 Kg7 30. e5 Rd8 31. b3 a6 32. h3 Bg2 33. Bg4 Nc6 34. Rxd8 Nxd8 35. Na4 b5 36. cxb5 axb5 37. Nc5 Kf8 38. Be2 b4 39. Bb5 Bxh3 40. Na6
f5 41. exf6 Kf7 42. Nxb4 Kxf6 43. Nc6 Nb7 44. b4 Nd6 45. Bd3 e5 46. b5 Ke6 47. b6 Kd5 48. Nd8 Bc8 49. a4 Kd4 50. Kc2 e4 51. Be2 Ke3 52. Kd1 Kf2 53. a5 e3 54.
a6 Ne4 55. b7 Bxb7 56. axb7 Nc3+ 57. Kc2 Nxe2 58. Nc6 Nxg3 59. Nd4 Nf5 60. Nxf5 e2 61. b8=Q e1=Q 62. Qg3+ Kf1 63. Ne3+ Ke2 64. Qxg5 Qd2+ 1/2-1/2

I've always had a huge soft spot for the line (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.f3 0-0 6.Be3) 6...e5 7.d5 Nh5 8.Qd2 Qh4† 9.g3 Nxg3!? 10.Qf2 Nxf1 11.Qxh4 Nxe3.  I blame Andy Martin, who did a very good sales job in an old King's Indian repertoire book which I followed slavishly until I picked up the Modern Benoni (which gets ...c5 in before it loses a pawn )

Before that, I played the "Sämisch Panno" (although as John Watson pointed out in the book that sold this line to me, it has no business being called that) 6...Nc6 with lots of beautiful possibilities (if you can get your hands on that old Watson book you will see what I mean), mostly involving dropping a knight in to d4 at the cost of a pawn and using open semi-open b- and e-files, and of course the KID bishop, to wreak havoc on White's position.

I think the queen sac is considered suspect now though, and the 6...Nc6 line is under a cloud too I think , so I guess objectively best, if indeed 6...c5 were to be 'busted', would be the traditional (i.e. without black chucking his queen onto the barbecue!) main lines with 6...e5

How about  1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f3 O-O 6. Be3 c5 7. dxc5 dxc5 8.
Qxd8 Rxd8 9. Bxc5 Nc6 10. Nge2 Nd7 11. Bf2 Nde5 12. Nf4 Nb4 13. Rd1 Be6?
-14.Nxe6 fxe6 15. Rxd8+ Rxd8 16. Be2 Nbd3+ 17. Bxd3 Nxd3+ 18. Ke2 Nxf2 19. Kxf2 Rd2+
-14. b3 Nxc4 15. Nxe6 Bxc3+ 16. Ke2 Rxd1 17. Kxd1 Nb2+ 18. Kc1 fxe6

Any thoughts?

As far as I know Ward has played 11.Bf2 yet, although I still don't have this book.  For Randy Bauer's review go to http://www.jeremysilman.com/book_reviews_rb/rb_controversial_samisch_KID.html

I don't have Ward's book yet.  Black certainly appears to have decent practical chances in the 10...b6 varition but I would still like to see a convincing solution in the 10...Nd7 variation (it just seems so much more straightforward).  I didn't find Milkman's solution of 11...Na5 to be convincing but I'm not sure of White's best followup.  White has already won a game against this in the Chessbase database.

I alluded to Ward's book and the possibility of accepting the gambit in the Samisch thread (eons ago?). Sure worth checking out. The surprise value is not to be underestimated, personally, have won dozens of blitz games  Although i now suspect fritz overestimates white's material advantage, not sure if would try this OTB in classical chess.

I recently read a review somewhere about Ward's new book on the Sämisch that he recommended, after 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.f3 0-0 6.Be3 c5 7.dxc5 dxc5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bxc5 Nc6 10.Nge2 Nd7 (Ward was quoted as saying that he thinks 10...b6 may be the critical continuation.  If I remember correctly.), 11.Bf2!  I think the idea is supposed to be 11...Nde5 12.Nf4 Nb4 13.Rd1!.  Anyone have any thoughts on this?  The move 11.Bf2 isn't mentioned by Gallagher in his recent KID repertoire book.