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Re: Unusual Q-Pawn opening 1.d4 d5 2.Bf4
Reply #2 - 09/01/05 at 04:05:10
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Interesting. Need to study. But my response to all no standard openings after 1.d4 d5 and Nf3 would be to play Bg4, take out the knight in most of the cases and try to prove, with centres closed, 2 knights are better than 2 B's.

And try to generate play on dark squares. After all, black will now have 3 attackers of light squares against the 2 defenders of black.  Wink
  

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Re: Unusual Q-Pawn opening 1.d4 d5 2.Bf4
Reply #1 - 08/29/05 at 06:40:57
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(I believe this really belongs in the d-pawn Special forum)

After 2.Bf4, 2...Nf6 is the natural choice, even though there are other interesting options (2...c6, 2...e6, 2...c5).

After 3.Nf3 you reach a standard London position, which is of course fully OK for both players, but 3.e3 has its advantages.

Now 3...Bf5 is considered slightly risky, as it allows White to attack b7 in some lines. But after 4.e3, your 4...e6 is a good practical choice. White's best may well be 5.c4!?, but that allows 5...Bxb1, stopping White from castling.

Personally I prefer 5.Nbd2, but after 5...Bd6 6.Ne5 it may well transpose. 5.Ne5!? as played in your game may be a better practical weapon, as g4 in some lines may be a dangerous (and unexpected) move.

I strongly doubt that after 5...Nbd7 6.Be2, 6...h6 is forced. 6...Be7 7.g4 Bg6 8.h4 may indeed come close to winning on the spot, but a more active move like 6...c5, planning ...Qb6 should be playable (if murky). And 6...Nxe5 7.Bxe5 Nd7 8.Bg3 Bd6 9.f4 c5 10.c3 Qb6 11.Qb3 c4 seemed at least equal for Black in Abel - J Laszlo, Hungarian Cht 1992.

Here are a few relatively recent games with this line (it should be possible to paste them into a text-file and save them in pgn-format, or you can play them through at the chessbase.com site):

[Event "RUS-Cup final"]
[Site "Ekaterinburg"]
[Date "1999.08.28"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Kharlov,Andrei"]
[Black "Rashkovsky,Nukhim N"]
[Result "1/2"]
[Eco "D02"]
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bf4 Bf5 4.e3 e6 5.Ne5 Nbd7 6.Nd2 Nxe5 7.Bxe5 Bd6 8.Bxd6 cxd6 9.Bd3 Bxd3 10.cxd3 Nd7 1/2

[Event "Capablanca mem Premier I 40th"]
[Site "Havana"]
[Date "2005.05.06"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Soppe,Guillermo"]
[Black "Mosquera,Miguel"]
[Result "1/2"]
[Eco "D02"]
1.d4 d5 2.Bf4 Nf6 3.e3 Bf5 4.Nf3 e6 5.Ne5 Nbd7 6.Nd2 Nxe5 7.Bxe5 Nd7 8.Bg3 c6 9.Be2 Be7 10.0-0 0-0 11.c4 Re8 12.a3 Bh4 13.Bf4 Bg5 14.Bg3  1/2

[Event "Buenos Aires Najdorf-B"]
[Site "Buenos Aires"]
[Date "2004.10.01"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Herrera,Martin"]
[Black "Hungaski,Roberto"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Eco "D02"]
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bf4 Bf5 4.e3 e6 5.Ne5 Nfd7 6.Nd2 Nxe5 7.Bxe5 Nd7 8.Bg3 Be7 9.Be2 0-0 10.f4 f6 11.Nf3 Bd6 12.h4 c6 13.h5 Qc7 14.Qd2 e5 15.Nh4 Be4 16.Bg4 exd4 17.Be6+ Kh8 18.Ng6+ Bxg6 19.hxg6 h6 20.0-0-0 Rae8 21.exd4 Rxe6 22.Rxh6+ gxh6 23.f5 Kg7 24.Bxd6 Rxd6 25.Qe3 Nb6 26.b3 Nc8 0-1


  

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Unusual Q-Pawn opening 1.d4 d5 2.Bf4
08/29/05 at 02:36:31
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Hi all,

I'm writing because I faced an unusual Kewpie (pronounced "QP") opening on Saturday against an expert.  I was pleased by the way my game turned out (he claimed he had an advantage but I'm not so sure), however I think he could have improved his play.   Here's the first part of the game:


White:  David Wallace
Black:  Dan Avery

Time control:  25 minutes w/ 5 second delay (Quick Chess)

1.d4 d5 2.Bf4!? Nf6 3.Nf3 Bf5!? 4.e3 e6
If I played 4...c6 here, I was concerned about 5.c4 possibly transposing into a Slav line that may be good for White.    5.Ne5?! Nbd7 6.Be2 h6! If I played a normal move such as 6...Be7?? David told me he was going to play 7.g4! which just wins on the spot.  He also said that was the main threat in his opening system and he was disappointed by my 6..h6.   7.Nd2 Be7 8.Bd3! (correcting the slight error of 6.Be2 takes courage!)Ne4 I have no idea what sort of mark to give this move.  I spent seven minutes on alternatives and couldn't come up with any that made any sense.  I haven't asked my silicon friend for help yet.  By the way, I included this game in this thread because until now, White has the option of playing c4 and getting an unusual QGD.

I'm sure that by now we've left theory, so I'll just give a few more moves without comments to show you how the game progressed out of the opening.  My main questions are:  

A) Is what I played the most sensible way to meet 2.Bf4
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B) What improvements could we have made to our game up to this point?

9.f3!? Nd6 (I wondered about Bh4?! but couldn't make it work) 10.0-0 Bd3 11.Nd3!? Nf5 12.c3 g5! 13.e4 Nd4!? 14.Bg3 Nb5 15.ed5 ed5 16.Re1 0-0 17.Qa4 Nd6 18.Qg4?! (and here David thought he was winning and I thought he was close to losing.) Nf6 19.Qh3 Kh7 20.Re5!?/?! Rg8 21.Rae1 Bf8 22.Nf2 Qc8! 23.Ng4 Ng4 24.fg4
   The rest of the game was played in really serious time trouble and wasn't recorded, but I could probably remember it and finish the score if anyone's interested.
  
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