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Athomick YaBB Newbies Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 12 Location: UK Joined: 09/26/05 Gender:	Re: Max Lange Attack (and Anti Max Lange) lives Reply #8 - 09/27/05 at 17:38:02	Post Tools	Print Post
	I'll try to give the best lines for white and black. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.d4 exd4 5.o-o Nxe4 6.Re1 d5 7.Bxd5 Qxd5 8.Nc3 Qd8 9.Rxe4+ Be7 10.Nxd4 f5 11.Bh6 fe 12.Bxg7 a) 12.......Rf8 13.Qh5+ Rf7 14.Rd1 Bd7 15.Nxc6 bc 16.Nxe4 White looks good here. If 16.........Rb8 17.c4! followed by Qxh7. b) 12.......Nxd4 13.Qh5+ Kd7 14 Rd1 Bd6 15.Rxd4 Re8 16.Nxe4 Rxe4 17.Rxe4 c5 18.Qd5 Kc7 19.Be5 I think this position is hard for black to hold (even without the queens on). c) 12.......Kf7 is harder to deal with. Of course white has an easy perpetual if he wants it. He might try 13.Bxh8 Qxh8 14.Qh5+ Kf8 15.Nxc6 bc 16.Qh6+ Kf7 (If 16.....Qg717.Qc6 Rb1 18.Qc7 Ra8 19.Re1) 17.Qc6 Rb8 18.Qxe4 Rxb2 19 Re1 Bb4 I can't see any more than a draw here for white by perpetual but am still trying to find improvements. My opinion of 11........0-0 remains the same based on my earlier analysis and some recent games (mine included against an IM and a GM). The Qh5/a5 lines are another story.........


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micawber God Member Offline like many sneaks and skunks in history he's a poet Posts: 852 Location: Netherlands Joined: 09/07/05 Gender:	Re: Max Lange Attack (and Anti Max Lange) lives Reply #7 - 09/27/05 at 15:34:10	Post Tools	Print Post
	Perhaps i have missed some theoretic novelties but: 11.Bxh6, fxe gives white no more than a draw I think x) 12.Bxg7,Nxd4!? Botwinnik y) 12.Bxg7,Kf7 13.Bxh8, Qxh8 Reich-Herbrechtsmeijer 2001 white lost after trying to hard to win While looking at the position I still couldnt find a direct win after 12...Rf8 although I will admit that white has some compensation, but thats about all. Note that although 11...0-0 should be theoretically better for white, Bronstein played this back in 1976 and drew without much difficulty. By the way, to look up Qh5/Qa5 as an alternative you have to go back to mr. Motwani's contribution. Oh yes, Mr. Davies has an entiry page in his pdf book too on this variation. But its quality is below any description. A shame for he really has written good books. But his contributions to this seection are of rather low quality IMHO.


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Athomick YaBB Newbies Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 12 Location: UK Joined: 09/26/05 Gender:	Re: Max Lange Attack (and Anti Max Lange) lives Reply #6 - 09/27/05 at 13:45:10	Post Tools	Print Post
	OK. Start with 8..Qd8 9 Rxe4+ Be7 (main move) 10 Nxd4 f5 11 Bh6! . Black is struggling here if he tries to win material but can try 11....0-0 12 Nxc6 bc 13 Rd4 Qe8 14 Bf4 Bf6 15 Rd3 Qf7 Qd2 where although black has the 2 bishops whites plan of exchanging one off on e5 is hard to meet without compromising elsewhere when white will be quite a bit better.


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micawber God Member Offline like many sneaks and skunks in history he's a poet Posts: 852 Location: Netherlands Joined: 09/07/05 Gender:	Re: Max Lange Attack (and Anti Max Lange) lives Reply #5 - 09/27/05 at 13:17:43	Post Tools	Print Post
	8...Qd8 is nearly equal and is not a bad move. Besides it has rather a lot of surprise value. No one less than Botwinnik has played this as black (and won). Also Szabo played this and won. I've played this myself on several occasions I think (+2 =3 -0) against 2000+ opposition.


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John Simmons Guest	Re: Max Lange Attack (and Anti Max Lange) lives Reply #4 - 09/27/05 at 10:57:29	Post Tools	Print Post
	Hello, I was finding the cagey exchange quite comic. Who was going to break out, with a concrete line first... Bye John S


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Smyslov_Fan YaBB Moderator Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Max Lange Attack (and Anti Max Lange) lives Reply #3 - 09/27/05 at 09:29:00	Post Tools	Print Post
	Hi guys, I don't play this stuff, so if you are a bit more specific than 8....Qa5 is equal, I'd appreciate it! Thanks!


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Athomick YaBB Newbies Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 12 Location: UK Joined: 09/26/05 Gender:	Re: Max Lange Attack (and Anti Max Lange) lives Reply #2 - 09/27/05 at 04:46:31	Post Tools	Print Post
	a) 8...Qa5 gives some chances of equality deep into the ending if black knows very deep theory. b) 8....Qh5 is always slightly worse for black although with best play he is only slightly worse. c) 9...Qd8 is worse. There is no way for black to gain equality in this line.


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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10778 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: Max Lange Attack (and Anti Max Lange) lives Reply #1 - 09/26/05 at 20:58:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.d4 exd4 5.o-o Nxe4 6.Re1 d5 7.Bxd5 Qxd5 8.Nc3 a) 8...Qa5 is at least equal. b) 8...Qh5 gives good chances for equality. c) 8...Qd8 is solid equality.

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Athomick YaBB Newbies Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 12 Location: UK Joined: 09/26/05 Gender:	Max Lange Attack (and Anti Max Lange) lives 09/26/05 at 16:58:21	Post Tools	Print Post
	I've done a bit of analysis recently on the Max Lange and would be interested in any players of the black pieces defending their opinions. If black can equalise it's "only just" and after a lot of hoop jumping!


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