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Check out Cebalo 4 months later in the same line:



[Event "Reggio Emilia 0102"]
[Site "Reggio Emilia"]
[Date "2001.12.27"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Zaja,Ivan"]
[Black "Cebalo,Miso"]
[Result "1/2"]
[Eco "A65"]
1.d4 Nf6 
2.c4 c5 
3.d5 g6 
4.Nc3 d6 
5.e4 Bg7 
6.f3 0-0 
7.Nge2 e6
8.Ng3 exd5 
9.cxd5 h5 
10.Bg5 Qb6 
11.Qd2 Nh7 
12.Bh4 Nd7 
13.f4 Re8 

A major improvement over his last game

14.Bc4 a6?!
This is not as accurate.  Black drew this game on move 42.   

But....

[[14...  Bf6 ! was much better 
15.Bxf6 Nhxf6
16.h4

or else Black himself plays h4 and then the e pawn is gone.

16....   Nxe4 !   the e pawn  is gone anyway
17.Ngxe4  Nf6
18.Qe3  Nxe4 
19. Nxe4  Bf5  !

Black is clearly better ]]

granted, White could have improved.

Ward mentions 13. f4!? which went well in Khenkin-Cebalo '01.   
 
What does Gallagher say?   
Black's minor pieces look in a muddle, would have inserted a diagram here if I knew how!

Point two---"why move away from kingside when you started aggresion there with 9... h5?"

As you can see now this is just not correct.  Why?  Because it stems from misunderstanding why ...h5 is played in the first place.  After you truly understand why ..h5 is played in this line and that moment you will realized that Black is not fleeing from what he started.  Experienced KID players will know that Black often plays on one side then on the other, depending on the variation.

Black is enabling operations on the K-side and hindering White's play or his piece placement (Ng3) on the Kingside.  Black is also NOT restricted to K-side play here; he can play on the Q-side as well, again, this is also common in the KID in some/many lines.

"....though had the impression some players there are considering candidate move-by-move rather than plans."
Inn2

I don't know if this has direct reference to me, but if it is, let me make clear that kingcrusher said: "We are having a KID "Rest of World" voting game ....  We have on our team a correspondence GM Peter Coleman as well as several other high level players" 

Since it is a KID specific game AND the players are GM and other high level players there is no need to be explaining to them the principles behind chess openings or the specific moves.  It is a choice of what variation the majority wants to take.  I did not want to condescend and be giving them a seminar on the candidate moves and the ideas/plans behind them.


Now, I want to make a case for 9. cxd5 h5  
10. Bg5 Qb6 (this last move specifically).

Point one---According to Inn2, this move is useless or pointless after 11.Qd2. 

Point two---also disagreeing with Inn2 on the other point:  "why move away from kingside when you started aggresion there with 9... h5?" 

Point one-- Maybe some players just don't understand why ...h5 is played in the first place or they do, but... one or two moves later they forget.  The reason why Black plays ...h5 in the first place in this line.  The White knight spends two tempi to get to g3 and now will find itself on the move yet again, and moving the h-pawn might or might not have risks but, if he want to play ...f5 or even still have the viable option to do so later, he needs to get rid of the Ng3.

So white might logically decide to play

10.Bg5
When White, for the time being stops this idea.

10....  Qb6
This unpins the knight and gains a tempo by attacking b2.

11.Qd2 
White protects b2 and makes the move he "planned" to do anyway, White can also have the idea to play Bh6.

11.... Nh7 

The Bishop is attacked and questioned.  Let's remember, some people might forget, that Black wants to play h4 to move the Ng3.  The bishop moves away from g5 and h4 is possible now, and let's remember that 12.Bh6 is not possible thanks to the Qb6.  Last but not least, Nh7 was possible thanks to the Q-move, and b6 is not that bad of a place.  And here I doubt White is going anywhere.

I hope this has helped all those high level players and the GM or IM's partaking in this special KID game... yeah.  On a serious note, I did not ever think they ever needed this, they know this if they are on the KID team and are high level.

Kingscrusher: thanks for the forum link which makes interesting reading, though had the impression some players there are considering candidate move-by-move rather than plans.   FOr instance, I would say it doesn't matter whether Black chooses 9... Nbd7 or 9... a6 now since these moves get played sooner or later.   
The defining moments are the only two viable plans: plan with 9...h5, and plan with 9....Nh5.   
 
Regarding Ward's 9... h5 10. Bg5, the "problem" with it is 10... Qb6!? (i see this is recommended by Gallagher?!), which exploits early bishop sortie. This is precisely why Dreev prefers 10. Be2 to delay committing his dark-squared bishop, he waits for Black to commit his queen first.   
 
Anyway i have also played Ward's plan, and always thought that 10... Qb6 was useless since White was going 11. Qd2 anyway, so the Black queen is misplaced on b6!    Unpinning with 10...Qa5 is no good either: see Svetushkin- Valmana Canto 05 annotated on Chesspub. The problem with these queen moves is they are "inconsistent" with Black's 9... h5: why move away from kingside when you started aggresion there with 9... h5? the best solution is probably 10...Re8 followed by Nbd7-f8-h7.
 
Chris Ward's Samisch book is good, though nowhere near complete, more like Ward Playing the Samisch, and there is nothing on Dreev's 10. Be2.   

of course, I  will post my input as well.

I am busy right now, but I  will bring something to the table soon.

Long live the KING's Indian Defense !

Hi Andrew- Have we played a club match?! Some people have commented in the past that I look a bit like GK - shame I can't play like him 

Someone commented on our forum about Nh5:-

"All my considerations on 9… Nh5 were made before I looked at 10.Nxh5 gxh5 11.Bf4! Here we can see a typical problem that statistics can have. The statistics of 9… Nh5 look acceptable for Black because in most games 11.Bd3 occurred. The move 11.Bf4! however is much stronger although it was played very seldom. IMO 11.Bf4 is the refutation of 9… Nh5.
"

The relevant thread can be seen without logging in, is the following :-

http://www.chessworld.net/chessclubs/forums_thread_show_one_posteronleftstyle.as...

Nh5 is being seriously considered and is currently the choice of correspondence GM Peter Coleman