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lnn2 God Member Offline Posts: 1504 Location: nc Joined: 09/22/04	Re: KID Saemich without Be3 - early Nge2 instead.. Reply #3 - 11/04/05 at 11:02:40	Post Tools	Print Post
	hi, you can quote me if you like.. but i am not much more a stronger player than you so you really ought to look at the position with your own eyes, and tell me what you think too! must say computers are hopeless in Benoni-maneuvering positions, so 9... h5 is a good line to go into for correspondence chess. 9... Nh5!?? is risky but very playable OTB, though probably not in correspondence when opponents have time to work out proper defence.


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kingscrusher YaBB Newbies Offline BCF 184, Fide 2170 Posts: 16 Location: London Joined: 03/18/05 Gender:	Re: KID Saemich without Be3 - early Nge2 instead.. Reply #2 - 11/04/05 at 10:33:31	Post Tools	Print Post
	Quote: as a Dreev fan, must say he is not playing well this year (Eu Team, Karabakh), while Radjabov is now playing the best chess of his life, so won't look too much at the final result. Line is question started with Dreev-Karpov (Karpov's first ever KID in Rekjavik Rapid'04!). Then Dreev improved on his own play and won brilliantly in Dreev-Nataf Calvia OL 04. Now Radjabov has improved on Nataf's play by pushing 17...f4! (already suggested in many places wherever Dreev-Nataf was analysed). But still I think White's position was probably playable, Dreev's real mistake appears to be 22. Rae1? which doesn't look logical to my eyes. i would prefer to play either 16. f4 (despite the bad outing in Dreev-Karpov) or 16. exf5 gxf5 17. f4 at least preventing Black from gaining too much space. Ward generally likes early Bg5 as soon as Black plays h5 (preventing ...h4), it seems to me the more efficient approach, and for sure less provocative than Dreev's! Thanks for your excellent comments! May I have your permission to relay these comments to our Rest of World game forum?! Best wishes Tryfon


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lnn2 God Member Offline Posts: 1504 Location: nc Joined: 09/22/04	Re: KID Saemich without Be3 - early Nge2 instead.. Reply #1 - 11/04/05 at 09:06:50	Post Tools	Print Post
	as a Dreev fan, must say he is not playing well this year (Eu Team, Karabakh), while Radjabov is now playing the best chess of his life, so won't look too much at the final result. Line is question started with Dreev-Karpov (Karpov's first ever KID in Rekjavik Rapid'04!). Then Dreev improved on his own play and won brilliantly in Dreev-Nataf Calvia OL 04. Now Radjabov has improved on Nataf's play by pushing 17...f4! (already suggested in many places wherever Dreev-Nataf was analysed). But still I think White's position was probably playable, Dreev's real mistake appears to be 22. Rae1? which doesn't look logical to my eyes. i would prefer to play either 16. f4 (despite the bad outing in Dreev-Karpov) or 16. exf5 gxf5 17. f4 at least preventing Black from gaining too much space. Ward generally likes early Bg5 as soon as Black plays h5 (preventing ...h4), it seems to me the more efficient approach, and for sure less provocative than Dreev's!


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kingscrusher YaBB Newbies Offline BCF 184, Fide 2170 Posts: 16 Location: London Joined: 03/18/05 Gender:	KID Saemich without Be3 - early Nge2 instead... 11/04/05 at 07:11:17	Post Tools	Print Post
	Hi all We are having a KID "Rest of World" voting game at www.chessworld.net (login, go to Play..World team games to see game against Boyle) and have reached a critical position. We have on our team a correspondence GM Peter Coleman as well as several other high level players, and the game moves so far against Edward Boyle are:- 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.f3 0-0 6.Nge2 c5 7.d5 e6 8.Ng3 exd5 9.cxd5 Line I am curious what you guys think is the best move and plan for black here. Recently Dreev lost a game in June which saw an immediate h5 here:- [Event "EU-ch 6th"] [Site "Warsaw"] [Date "2005.06.18"] [Round "13"] [White "Dreev,Alexey"] [Black "Radjabov,Teimour"] [Result "0-1"] [Eco "A65"] 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.f3 0-0 6.Nge2 c5 7.d5 e6 8.Ng3 exd5 9.cxd5 h5 10.Be2 a6 11.a4 Nh7 12.Be3 Nd7 13.0-0 h4 14.Nh1 f5 15.Qd2 Qf6 16.exf5 gxf5 17.Nf2 f4 18.Ng4 Qg5 19.Bf2 Ne5 20.Ne4 Qe7 21.Nxe5 Bxe5 22.Rae1 Bf5 23.Bd3 b5 24.Re2 h3 25.g4 Bxe4 26.Bxe4 Ng5 27.Kh1 Qg7 28.b3 Rab8 29.a5 Rbc8 30.Bh4 c4 31.bxc4 Rxc4 32.Rfe1 Nxe4 33.Rxe4 Bc3 34.Qf2 Bxe1 35.Rxe1 Qh7 36.Bg5 Qd3 37.Bh6 Rc2 38.Qf1 Qd2 39.Qg1 Rfc8 0-1 However, Chris Ward destroyed buckley who played an h5 plan- but only after nbd7 was played. This game went:- [Event "BCF-ch 86th"] [Site "Scarborough"] [Date "1999.08.01"] [Round "1"] [White "Ward, Christopher"] [Black "Buckley, Simon T"] [Result "1-0"] [ECO "A65"] [WhiteElo "2473"] [BlackElo "2216"] [PlyCount "67"] [EventDate "1999.08.05"] [EventType "swiss"] [EventRounds "11"] [EventCountry "ENG"] [Source "ChessBase"] [SourceDate "1999.09.14"] 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f3 O-O 6. Nge2 c5 7. d5 e6 8. Ng3 exd5 9. cxd5 Nbd7 10. Be2 h5 11. Bg5 a6 12. a4 Qe8 13. Qd2 Nh7 14. Bh6 f5 15. exf5 gxf5 16. Bxg7 Kxg7 17. Qf4 Ne5 18. O-O Qg6 19. Qh4 Kh6 20. f4 Ng4 21. Rae1 Bd7 22. Bxg4 fxg4 23. Re7 Rf7 24. Nxh5 Rxe7 25. Ng3+ Kg7 26. Qxe7+ Qf7 27. Qxd6 Nf6 28. Re1 Re8 29. Re5 b5 30. axb5 axb5 31. Nce4 Nxe4 32. Nxe4 Bf5 33. Rxe8 Qxe8 34. Qf6+ 1-0 What do you guys think of an immediate h5 here?! Also the crazy looking Nh5?! is being discussed! Any views and feedback on these moves would be greatly appreciated.


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