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Re: Is the moeller gambit  dead!??
Reply #2 - 02/09/06 at 21:01:02
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I'm not certain where the Moeller begins.  Does that start with 8...Nxc3?  Or does it start earlier with 7.Nc3?

I thought the line that killed the Giuoco Piano was:

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d4 ed 6.cd Bb4+ 7.Nc3?! Nxe4 8.0-0 Bxc3! 9.d5! Bf6! 10.Re1 Ne7 11.Rxe4 d6 12.Bg5 Bxg5 13.Nxg5 h6 14.Qe2 hxg5 15.Re1 Be6 and White's got nothing but a few cheap tricks.  One idea is based on getting the Re4 over to the h-file via Re4-e3-h3.  But objectively this line seems very bad for White.  Simply losing. 

Soltis covered it in his book on the Giuoco Piano and Two Knights defense, but I don't think he came up with anything convincing for White in this line.   

I also remember seeing this line in Karpov's old book on the open game, but I think he, too, found White wanting.

However, I think 8...Nxc3, as seen in your game, keeps the game alive for both sides.  I seem to recall that this is the Moeller proper.  I haven't studied it in a long time, but in my notes I have 9.bxc3 Be7?! 10.d5 Na5 11.d6 when White is doing okay after both 11...cxd6 and 11...Bxd6.  Either way White has a nice lead in development.  I wouldn't claim White is winning, but I don't think he's dead, either.

As far as a plan, this is a fairly classic open game kind of situation.  It's all about development, mobility, and tactics.  In fact, White has some interesting tries based on the sac Bxf7+, trying to flush Black's king out in the open.   

I enjoyed 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 games.  I recall most people played 3..Nf6, though.
  
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Re: Is the moeller gambit  dead!??
Reply #1 - 02/09/06 at 19:42:43
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Not with a book near me atm, but I think 10 d5 Na5 (10 ..Nb8 11 d6! cxd6 12 Qd5) 11 d6 and now cxd6 allows Bxf7+ and Qd5+, while Bxd6 allows Re1+ followed by the same moves.

Afaik the Be7 line isnt that good for black, sure you get a pawn (or two) but the position white gets is worth much more.
  

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02/09/06 at 17:23:08
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Hi guys, i've recently re-introduced the giuco piano in my games, as it was once a favourite of mine when i first began to play the game. I employed it in a tournament in Dublin against a 2000 graded player and soon remembered why i had given it up in the first place. After the opening moves:

1.e4,e5
2.Nf3,Nc6
3.Bc4,Bc5
4.c3,Nf6
5.d4,exd4
6.cxd4,Bb4
7.Nc3!?,Nxe4
8.0-0,Nxc3
9.bxc3,Be7

Okay i should have expected this move which cost me a pawn. I think that in this position, white has very little compensation for the pawn. If anybody can show me a possible plan for white,or any ideas i would be delighted. (by the way i managed to draw the above game by some fluke!)

Cheers, DarMc
  
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