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Re: Switching from 1.e4 to 1.d4
Reply #97 - 05/15/06 at 02:29:03
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Craig, 

Where did you get that quote? ("Why did you sacrifice that piece?...")  It sounds like something Tal might have said, and I love it!
  
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Re: Switching from 1.e4 to 1.d4
Reply #96 - 05/08/06 at 20:38:34
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Dear WoofWoof,

You misread my post on the Najdorf. When I said that 6. ...e5 was compromising for Black, I was only referring to the move in immediate response to 6. Bd3. The reason is of course not the weakening of -d5, but the fact that after 7. Ktde2 b5 ; 8. Bg5 Ktbd7 ; 9. 0-0 Be7 ; 10. b4! Bb7 ; 11. a4 ba ; 12; Rxa4 0-0 White has strong pressure on the a-pawn. This is not a typical plan against the Najdorf but it happens to be very effective. 
I must stress that I have absolutely nothing against the Najdorf structure for Black and in fact I employ it myself in a variety of variations, including the position which can be reached after 1. e4 c5 ; 2. Ktf3 d6 ; 3. d4 cd ; 4. Ktxd4 Ktf6 ; 5. Ktc3 a6 ; 6.Bd3 Qc7 ; 7. 0-0 e5 (see my recommendation in the thread "Need Set-up against Najdorf"). 
6. ...e5 can be called compromising against 6. a4 , 6. h3 and 6. Bd3 and downright bad against 6. Bc4 and 6. Bg5, but against all other moves, it leads to excellent enterprising chess.

You are quite right in saying that my assumptions as to the reason for this or that poster's behavior are entirely speculative, but I think I already made that clear by using words such as "maybe" and "supposedly".
By the way, I more or less "lost face" against Arkhein myself, but that did not prevent me from staying courtious and in fact acknowledging my failure at proving with variations what I had asserted in words. 

P.S.  Inn2, I am very impressed with your general attitude to all this and particularly at your indulgence with the "Kant quote". 

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Re: Switching from 1.e4 to 1.d4
Reply #95 - 05/08/06 at 16:38:32
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Eloquent post above by Inn2! I couldn't agree more.
  
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Re: Switching from 1.e4 to 1.d4
Reply #94 - 05/08/06 at 14:25:58
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woofwoof wrote on 05/08/06 at 13:32:12:
You may post or back up your arguments there if you so wish or take issue with my writing.


To clarify.... the above quote isnt meant to be taken as a challenge or an invitation to debate. But i'm pretty curious and interested as to how Hubert arrived at his conclusion. Huh
  

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Re: Switching from 1.e4 to 1.d4
Reply #93 - 05/08/06 at 14:05:00
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hello, 

(none of my business, but i find clicking on what seems like interesting topics only to find pointless spats a waste of time  Roll Eyes ):

anyway just to say (not directed at anyone in particular), strong opinions are okay (see e.g. Markovich, Topnotch etc.), better than no opinion at all like the graveyard this forum is becoming lately... but there's no need to go personal, or even respond to personal jabs in like manner. I don't completely agree with the Kant statement, because i think (at least for the purposes of a fundamentally friendly recreational internet forum like this one) that if somebody treats you in what you think is an unsatisfactory manner, you give him abit of forebearnce first, and only if he continues, then you retaliate. This is because i think most of the time, the retaliation is usually far worse than the initial 'insult', and an argument develops. If there was abit more tolerance at first (even among the "victims"), many arguments would not have developed into animosity, and we don't risk alienating the strong players who frequent this board. its a  somewhat strange argument to make i know, which really only works on the assumption that  the posters here are generally nice people, and know when to back off. From my experience here, you can count on that Smiley
  
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Re: Switching from 1.e4 to 1.d4
Reply #92 - 05/08/06 at 13:48:46
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lose face - tappa ansiktet. Swedish expression. Exactly the same expression and meaning.
  

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Re: Switching from 1.e4 to 1.d4
Reply #91 - 05/08/06 at 13:32:12
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Uberdecker wrote on 05/08/06 at 11:40:35:
Well, I don't have the necessary time and interest to pursue these endless arguments which MNb is so fond of, but since he's referring to other posters "totally out of context", and since Castlerock, strangely enough, isn't expressing indignation this time........

I'm not quite sure what pushed TalJechin to be so rude. Maybe it was my scepticism as to the merits of his beloved KG that put him on the defensive.
Castlerock made a ridiculous comment in the French Section and was apparently vexed when I pointed it out to him, which supposedly accounts for his fishing for trouble here.
SevenViolets' deletion of his abusive posts in "From Gambit: Current Opinion" speeks for itself.
And MNb, well... I suppose arguing about everything and nothing is just in his nature. One can't go against that and I, conversely, am quite sincere in wishing him a nice day.


Now Now Hubert, arent we getting waaay too personal in our arguments here?? Linking a certain person's behaviour/reaction which you find displeasing to their supposed 'loss of face' is rather speculative isnt it?? 

I'm pretty sure that these guys are big enough to handle any chessic 'loss of face' . To claim that they reacted in a way that is aggravating or vexatious to you due to a certain 'face loss' in a French or KG etc would just give the impression to newcomers here that they are a petty, immature & insecure lot which really isnt the case.   

From what ive been following so far, the issue that these guys hv with you is more your tone, choice of words and seemingly easy dismissal of lines or positions which arent to your liking. (it does seem that you adhere strictly to pure positional objectivity more than anything else) Speaking of which I've taken issue with how easily you dismiss the 6...e5 move in the najdorf as being  compromising for black. If you dislike black's position because you are uncomfortable/ dont like the backward d6 pawn or the gaping hole on d5 is one thing & that's fine by me, but to say that it is compromising is quite another thing & that i feel is way too strong a statement to use.  Ive yet to see a GM or IM take issue with its supposed 'weakness' or claim something the way you have. There is a "Najdorf 6...e5 or 6...e6" thread in the Open Sicilian section, you may post or back up your arguments there if you so wish or take issue with my writing. 
 
p/s i'm not sure if the phrase/slang 'lose face' is internationally known or something used only in S'pore & Malaysia. Anyway it is related to experiencing great embarresment or loss of pride. (not exactly 100%, but you get the idea)
  

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Re: Switching from 1.e4 to 1.d4
Reply #90 - 05/08/06 at 11:40:35
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Well, I don't have the necessary time and interest to pursue these endless arguments which MNb is so fond of, but since he's referring to other posters "totally out of context", and since Castlerock, strangely enough, isn't expressing indignation this time, I'll set a few things straight.

I've exchanged nothing but polite correspondence with Frendo, CraigEvans and Arkhein. With the latter, this was despite our involvement in a heated debate on the BDG.
Self-Slayer knows I have no qualms with him. We were just having a little fun with his Sicilian repertoire.
I'm not quite sure what pushed TalJechin to be so rude. Maybe it was my scepticism as to the merits of his beloved KG that put him on the defensive.
Castlerock made a ridiculous comment in the French Section and was apparently vexed when I pointed it out to him, which supposedly accounts for his fishing for trouble here.
SevenViolets' deletion of his abusive posts in "From Gambit: Current Opinion" speeks for itself.
And MNb, well... I suppose arguing about everything and nothing is just in his nature. One can't go against that and I, conversely, am quite sincere in wishing him a nice day.

P.S. Craig may well be right, and there might be no particular problem with 1. ...e5
This would render 1. Ktc3 even more pointless!
  
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Re: Switching from 1.e4 to 1.d4
Reply #89 - 05/05/06 at 03:09:52
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"I really don't see why you feel the need to be so confrontational and jeering."

Yeah, you are right. Everybody at this forum is complaining, whining, confrontational, jeering. Castlerock is, Frendo is, TalJechin is, SevenViolets is, AKheiN is, Dragonslayer is, CraigEvans is, I am. Only you are not.  Roll Eyes


"Strpzr or another advocate of hope-chess"

Of course it is completely unjustified to call this teasing, haunting or whatever. Of course calling you a member of the Anti-Gambit School is.

Have a nice day.  Kiss
  

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Reply #88 - 05/04/06 at 10:11:10
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Dear TenWiseMen,

It does not seem the least bit appropriate for a self-confessed rude cur to give others advice on how to behave.

1. I was not haunting Strpzr. I genuinely considered him to be better qualified to answer the question.
2. I did not complain. The whining was done by others here.

The next time you attempt a flashy quote, make sure you have at least read the author and understood him.
The phrase you chose looks more like you got it from a Christmas card than from "Kritik der Reinen Vernunft ".
You are free to follow whatever line of conduct you choose. As for myself, I answer each post individually, regardless of precedence.


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Re: Switching from 1.e4 to 1.d4
Reply #87 - 05/02/06 at 20:01:35
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"It all boils down to Emmanuel Kant's famous rule: treat other people like you want to be treated yourself."

I guess Kant must have been inspired by another guy, see Matthew 7:12 and Luke 6:31 for detailed variations...

Btw, keep moving those f-pawns MNb!! (I guess 1. d4 f5 2. f4 d5 would be on the cards if we took the advise of Kant & co seriously...)
  
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Re: Switching from 1.e4 to 1.d4
Reply #86 - 05/02/06 at 11:06:18
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MNb wrote on 04/29/06 at 08:19:20:
Dear Uberdeker,

For my attitude I have been reproached by Alumbrado and Smyslov_Fan (would théy remember?). 
It all boils down to Emmanuel Kant's famous rule: treat other people like you want to be treated yourself.


I do not recall ... The only thing I would seriously reproach you for is your propensity to move your f-pawn too early Grin  Perhaps it should be nailed down?  But of course, this joke has already been done ...

(By the way, I'm not sure that was exactly what Kant said, but it's a decent enough stab)
  

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Re: Switching from 1.e4 to 1.d4
Reply #85 - 04/29/06 at 08:19:20
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Dear Uberdeker,

it seems appropriate to take up my responsibilities as god member once again.
First of all I want to stress, how much I appreciate your analytical contributions. Thanks to you I have learned more about the KG-Fischer Defence in the last two weeks than in two years before. Your 2.a4 against the French is undoubtedly highly spirited. Keep up the good work.
Still there is something you should give a serious thought.
There are some very friendly posters on this forum. Eg Woofwoof, Inn2, Michael Ayton, Castlerock and Bonsai never are rude or impolite and never mock other people. At the other hand they can accept a good joke. You must have consideration with them and avoid being insulting.
Before you refer to the pot and the kettle, I must give in, that I have a nasty character. I have had many quarrels here, that is how I got 2000+ posts. Would Markovich still recall? It is in a thread on the Bc5 Ruy Lopez. Gambit (Lev D Zilbermints) once intended to sue me. For my attitude I have been reproached by Alumbrado and Smyslov_Fan (would théy remember?). The cause is, that I like to treat posters the same way they treat others.
My advice to you is to obey two rules.
1. Know when to stop. Haunting Strptzr was fun. From his own posts I conclude, that he can take it. But you should, like me, have noticed, that he has retired for a while now. We must respect that and leave him for a while. Therefor your last reference, especially the hope chess part, was superfluous and needless, even if you are right.
2. If you like to tease and mock, expect to become a victim yourself. Precisely that happened in the Best Anti-French thread. Sure TalJechin was confrontational etcetera. He was, because you are yourself. Take it like a man and don't complain.

It all boils down to Emmanuel Kant's famous rule: treat other people like you want to be treated yourself. If you enjoy a good quarrel now and then, like me, turn this rule the other way round: treat other people like they treat other people.

Back to chess now.
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Re: Switching from 1.e4 to 1.d4
Reply #84 - 04/28/06 at 17:52:20
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Dear Castlerock and Craig,

  Now it is my turn to be completely baffled. I have no idea what you are both on about. You find it offending that I suggest that a self-confessed exponent of 1. Ktc3 is better able to explain how White should play against two moves which are virtually the only ones that are not considered satisfactory?
I maintain that the possiblity that Black might play these seemingly natural answers is the main appeal of 1. Ktc3.
1. ...f5 is misguided. It is not recommendable to play "the Dutch" against all non-1.e4 openings. 2. e4 should confer a sizeable advantage. White is so keen on getting this advance in that he often plays it as a gambit (1. d4 f5 ; 2. e4 : the Staunton and 1. Ktf3 f5 ; 2. e4 : the Lizitsin. Both are sound if I'm not mistaken)
1. ...e5 ; 2. Ktf3 Ktc6 (admitedly 2. ...d6 in Philidor fashion should be playable) ; 3. d4 is supposed to be dangerous for Black. I've never really dwelt on this, first of all because I'm not a 1. ...e5 player, and secondly because those who are have at their disposal 1. ...Ktf6 ; 2. e4 (or 2. d4 with a Veresov) e5 with a Vienna.
I can't give you analysis of this, and that's why I directed you to Strpzr. Why is that so unreasonable?

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P.S. Craig, I'd be happy to follow your suggestion, but I'm not quite sure how to "portray" a "tone"
  
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Re: Switching from 1.e4 to 1.d4
Reply #83 - 04/28/06 at 11:06:13
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The problem with 1...f5 is that it allows the dutch after 2.d4 - most people know my opinion on that. However, I do not believe for a second that there are "problems" for black after 1...e5. 2.d4 is clearly rubbish, 2.e4 is a Vienna, which means you must be advocating 2.Nf3 as the move for white.

2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 and we have a scotch without white's e4 thrust. I would say that black is already equal here. 

1.Nc3 e5 is completely playable - I have played 1...e5 the twice I've faced 1.Nc3 OTB, and have come out of the opening well both times. There is no reason why someone should be bluffed into 1...d5 in my view.

I would reconsider the tone you choose to portray on the forums, also. More than one person has expressed non-amusement at it, and if you make a comment then you should be prepared to back it up, yourself.
  

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