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Re: Gambit in the rubinstein variation
Reply #5 - 06/17/06 at 09:55:36
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Yes, the gambit is in "Mastering the French" as given by Ostapbender, and I have recorded Kb1!? too (declining the gambit)

8.Ne5!? is given in Psakhis's book (which one ? .. don't know since I have many) and the line follow what is given by kylemeister. I complete the line: 14...Rxc2 15.oo Kd7 16.Nb5 Be7 Ostojic-Bertholee,Dieren 1989 (Psakhis))

In fact I noted many moves: 8.Qe2,8.oo,8.Be3,8.Ne5!?,8.Bb5+,8.Bg5,8.c3 and it's difficult to vote for the best one. I prefer Qe2 because the idea is given (long castle, the most active plan when Black plays slowly with b6-Bb7) . Yes,Ne5 has some ideas like hitting weak b5-e8 diagonal and c6 square, but seems premature and Psakhis line is unclear for a win as White.
  
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Re: Gambit in the rubinstein variation
Reply #4 - 06/16/06 at 08:22:27
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Well, 8. Ne5 isn't in ECO.  It looks interesting.  But isn't Black fine with 8...Bb7 (8...Qd5 seems "iffier," though on 9. Be2 there is ...Bb7 10. Bf3 Qa5+ 11. Bd2 Bxf3 12. Qxf3 Qd5), based on lines such as 9. Bb5+ c6 10. Bxc6+ Bxc6 11. Nxc6 Qd5 and if 12. Qf3 Qxf3 13.gf Rc8 14. Nxa7 Rxc2 with compensation, or 9. 0-0 (really threatening Bb5+) Qd5, or 9. Bb5+ c6 10. Nxc6 Qd5 11. c4 (11. Nxa7+? Kd8) Qxg2 (11...Qe4+ 12. Qe2) 12. Ne5+ Kd8 13. Rf1 (13. Nxf7+ Ke7) Bb4+, e.g. 14. Bd2 Qe4+ 15. Qe2 Bxd2+ 16. Kxd2 Qxd4+ with the idea ...Ke7?  I'm just looking at this in my head, so sorry if it loses by force.      

Also on 8. Bb5+ c6 10. Qf3 is an issue.  How am I doing after 10...Qd5 11. Qxd5 Nxd5 12. Bxc6+ Bxc6 13. Nxc6 Rc8 14. Nxa7 Rxc2 (similar to a previous line [Black could also have aimed for this there, i.e. no doubled f-pawns but knight already ensconced on d5])?  8...c6 was a thought, but it looks like White just plays 9. Nxc6 Qd5 10. Qf3 (...Qxf3 11. gf Bb7 12. Ne5) and I'm a pawn down for not much.
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Re: Gambit in the rubinstein variation
Reply #3 - 06/16/06 at 04:19:00
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Darthmambo wrote on 06/16/06 at 03:40:18:
What is the title of the McDonald & Harley book? I don't think I have that one.


It's called Mastering the French (Batsford, 1997)

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nd7 5. Nf3 Ngf6 6. Nxf6+ Nxf6 7. Bd3 b6  "looks suspisicious" according to McDonald & Harley (7...c5 is the normal move here) 8. Qe2 Bb7 9. Bg5 Be7 10. O-O-O O-O

and now instead of 11.h4 leading into the gambit, the recommended move is

11. Kb1! as in Johannsson-Besser, Halle zt 1967.  That game concluded:

11...Nd5 12. h4 Nb4 13. Bxe7 Qxe7 14.Ng5 Nxd3 15. Qxd3 g6 16. f4 h5 17. Rhg1 Kg7 18. Rde1 Qf6 19. Re5 Qxf4 20. g3 Qf2 21. Rf1 Qg2 22. Rfe1 Rad8 23. Qe3 c5 24. Rxe6 fxe6 25. Nxe6+ Kh7 26. Ng5+ 1-0

Just out of curiousity:  After 7...b6, I was wondering if White can play 8.Ne5?  Has anyone seen this move mentioned?  Is there something wrong with it?
  
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Re: Gambit in the rubinstein variation
Reply #2 - 06/16/06 at 03:40:18
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What is the title of the McDonald & Harley book? I don't think I have that one.
  
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Re: Gambit in the rubinstein variation
Reply #1 - 06/14/06 at 17:12:30
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Welcome on the French forum ...  Smiley
It's not a reply.
I want just to mention, the gambit is given in McDonald & Harley book about the French....and since McDonald is co-author of the book, some chesspublishing gold-members  have some game in the database (?)

Maybe I'll reply later (I continue reading other chapters of my current book about the French,..Rubinstein in next chapters). At current time, no analysis or games or ideas recorded on the gambit. The only assessment is "7...b6?! dubious move because Black will not play c5, because of quick arrival of a rook on d1 square".
  
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C03,C10-C11: Gambit in the rubinstein variation
06/13/06 at 17:05:06
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In the line :
1) e4         e6
2) d4         d5
3) Cc3       d*e4
4) C*e4     Cd7
5) Cf3       Cgf6
6) C*f6     C*f6
7) Fd3       b6
8) De2      Fb7
9) Fg5       Fe7
10) O-O-O O-O
11) h4       c5!?
12) d*c5    Dc7
do you think that some players will accept the gambit and play 13 c*b6 ?
« Last Edit: 08/01/11 at 17:11:50 by dom »  
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