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Re: Playing in weak open tournaments
Reply #24 - 06/26/06 at 15:11:32
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Noise in the playing hall is a problem for any open tournament, and even some closed ones.  The Soviets used to have practice sessions with the radio turned up and people smoking cigars.  I hate most extraneous noises, but the ticking of a hundred chess clocks has always been somewhat soothing to me.  I guess I'm old school when it comes to that particular noise.

I was at a national tournament once when a class player was clicking metallic Chinese worry balls in his hand.  The TD didn't do anything, even when the player dropped one on the wooden floor in an early round.  It was almost like a Chekhov play, waiting for the final round drop.  Sure enough, in a critical position with all the tension in the world, the player dropped the ball and I dropped a piece.  

It makes for a good excuse, but it just shows how fragile I am as a tournament player.
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Re: Playing in weak open tournaments
Reply #23 - 06/26/06 at 15:02:46
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I'd like to add my two cents about playing in weak open tournaments.  I used to be very frustrated dealing with players rated 300+ points below me (and still am!), but I've found an excellent way to cope.  EAR PLUGS.

Honestly, I don't know how I ever played chess without them.  One thing I've found is that weaker players are almost always extremely annoying.  They snicker and smile, offer lots of draws, shrug, sometimes even try to make friendly comments to you during the game!  Plus, if you're playing in a weaker open tournament, there's usually some under 10 year old kids playing on the opposite end of the hall banging the pieces, crying when they lose, etc. etc.  Then there's the people who finish their game early and want to analyse it right behind you, or the incessantly out-of-sync ticking of 20 analog clocks.  I find it so much easier to deal with weaker players when I can't hear any of the littls noises they make; then, I'm not annoyed by the person I'm playing and I can just concentrate on the board.  Also, I think it sort of deflates their confidence even faster when they offer you a draw on move 15 and you don't even make eye contact with them, because you didn't even hear them!  Most of them just lose the will to go on when they realise they can't make constant draw offers, cough loudly, moan, chuckle, blow their nose, or do anything else to irritate you.

So I heartily recommend ear plugs, to be strictly combined with making NO eye contact during the game (against weaker players).  You'll be amazed at how much easier the wins come!!
  
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Re: Playing in weak open tournaments
Reply #22 - 06/24/06 at 03:44:02
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I love watching GMs beat up on poor fish like IMs and FMs.  They will often get a seemingly insignificant advantage out of the opening/early middle game, then squash all counterplay and make the win seem routine.  I have learned so much about middlegame and endgame technique from these "boring" wins that I can actually do it myself on occasion.   

Thanks to all the GMs, from Tal on, who have ignored Karpov's advice and played in "weak" open tournaments!
  
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Re: Playing in weak open tournaments
Reply #21 - 06/23/06 at 15:31:32
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[quote author=Keano link=1150452696/15#19 date=1151049507][quote]I find that I can usually entertain myself by trying to win in the fewest possible moves. [/quote]
I do this as well, although sometimes particularly in endgames I do the opposite - try to win in the maximum moves possible. It completely demoralises the opponent and vey often they will just resign before awaiting the inevitable. I noticed a lot of masters who like to do this as well - completely eliminate any risk and win at leisure. Particulary useful is the Shereshevsky endgame principle of "do not hurry" in which he advocates repeating the position twice on occasions - though not 3 times of course![/quote]

Maybe.  I imagine this will just encourage your weak opponent to play on ("He's not making any progress, maybe I'll draw"), but if it keeps you amused, who am I to judge :-)
  
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Re: Playing in weak open tournaments
Reply #20 - 06/23/06 at 08:05:33
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Keano wrote on 06/23/06 at 07:58:27:
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I find that I can usually entertain myself by trying to win in the fewest possible moves.

I do this as well, although sometimes particularly in endgames I do the opposite - try to win in the maximum moves possible. It completely demoralises the opponent and vey often they will just resign before awaiting the inevitable. I noticed a lot of masters who like to do this as well - completely eliminate any risk and win at leisure. Particulary useful is the Shereshevsky endgame principle of "do not hurry" in which he advocates repeating the position twice on occasions - though not 3 times of course!

I do that too, my preferred method being to get a knigh+bishop vs lone king or to sacrifice to reach a simply won pawn ending.
  

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Re: Playing in weak open tournaments
Reply #19 - 06/23/06 at 07:58:27
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I find that I can usually entertain myself by trying to win in the fewest possible moves.

I do this as well, although sometimes particularly in endgames I do the opposite - try to win in the maximum moves possible. It completely demoralises the opponent and vey often they will just resign before awaiting the inevitable. I noticed a lot of masters who like to do this as well - completely eliminate any risk and win at leisure. Particulary useful is the Shereshevsky endgame principle of "do not hurry" in which he advocates repeating the position twice on occasions - though not 3 times of course!
  
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Re: Playing in weak open tournaments
Reply #18 - 06/23/06 at 03:20:42
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I find that I can usually entertain myself by trying to win in the fewest possible moves.  I am usually a fairly lazy player and try and win won positions using the least amount of thought/effort, but if my opponent persists in using a great deal of time in a lost position...

Of course for positions that require no thought to make optimal moves, well, there is nothing really that can be done other than watch some of the other games.

To be fair, I have seen some weak players say/do absurd things in endgames which leads me to believe that they benefit in many matches from never giving up and also lack the ability to evaluate even with very reduced material.  A couple of examples come to mind:

1.Between two USCF 1700ish players, a drawn KPvK position is lost because the defender does not understand the principle of opposition (and I guess can't calculate the three moves to realize that Kd8 draws by stalemate while Kf8 loses).  This amazes me in part because the players weren't exceptionally weak -- how it is that one manages to play chess long enough to reach that strength without learning the first thing about endgames?

2.In a team match, KBPvKP, a draw was agreed since the stronger side had a rook pawn and the wrong bishop; one of my opponent's teammates from a lower board (around 1400) didn't believe that the position was drawn and continued to look for a win even after the drawing idea was explained.
  
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Re: Playing in weak open tournaments
Reply #17 - 06/23/06 at 00:24:18
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 06/22/06 at 23:46:56:
Also, I'd rather face a refutation to one of my opening lines against a weak opponent, have a chance to save a point, and learn a lesson than to have that same refutation occur in a game against someone who will then put me out of my misery for my mistake.


That's a really good point!  No better way to work a new repertoire than to put it in practice, and nice to have the relative confidence of knowing that some unforeseen improvement might not necessarily sink your ship--though if it does, you're really sunk...
  

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Re: Playing in weak open tournaments
Reply #16 - 06/22/06 at 23:46:56
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Wow, there are poor sports in OTB play as well as the internet?  As HgMan said, "Who knew?" Wink

I try to be stoical and sympathetic to the poor sods who don't know any better than to play on.   

and on, 

and on.

I get much more frustrated with myself when I make a hash of a game in an early round and either win inspite of myself or give up points that I considered mine.

I did have an interesting learning experience recently.  I went over a game in which my opponent offered a draw when I had  a Bishop and 4 pawns vs 6 pawns.  I simply thought that the other player was getting frustrated because I'd put him in zugzwang and then start moving my bishop back and forth.  It wasn't the most imaginative win, but it was obvious to me.   

I only realised later that my opponent probably really thought the position was drawn and made the offer because he didn't see that I was making progress.  That was a lightning blast of enlightenment for me.  I've since used that and similar positions to teach my students how to win won endgames.  So, playing weaker opponents can sometimes be very educational.

Also, I'd rather face a refutation to one of my opening lines against a weak opponent, have a chance to save a point, and learn a lesson than to have that same refutation occur in a game against someone who will then put me out of my misery for my mistake.
  
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Re: Playing in weak open tournaments
Reply #15 - 06/22/06 at 17:30:18
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Oooooh! Them stubborn opponents are really quite a nuisance arent they?? How very annoying.  Angry Even in casual social games at Yahoo they refuse to resign despite having only a king! Shocked My EXTREME program which is always guilty of such play & refuses to draw even in an obviously drawn position (drawn only after 50 move rule) has made me immune to any such irritation. 

Met these types of opponents very often when I was  playing competitively for my school team. What is even worse, these guys will sit & think as tho they've got some deeeeeeep game saving plan in mind; 20+ mins gone & they either play what is glaringly obvious or a move just to chase a piece away or yet another blunder. Angry

Not to worry, Confucious says "Patience is a GREAT virtue".  JEH's tip is the best- just play the position. At least among my mates, we call it quits whenever its beyond salvation  Cool
  

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Reply #14 - 06/22/06 at 11:56:30
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What??  The empire's crumbling??  Who knew??   Wink
  

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Re: Playing in weak open tournaments
Reply #13 - 06/21/06 at 11:02:01
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 06/21/06 at 02:17:23:

I wonder if it's just a coincidence that England has been in relative decline as a football power during the same period.  Could it be that chess has been draining off England's best athletes? Undecided

I suspect English boxing has been losing out in the same way
  
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Re: Playing in weak open tournaments
Reply #12 - 06/21/06 at 02:17:23
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tont wrote on 06/16/06 at 12:45:26:

"The rise of weekend tournaments, from about 1966, was in my opinion a
major factor in making British chess more competitive and exciting"



I wonder if it's just a coincidence that England has been in relative decline as a football power during the same period.  Could it be that chess has been draining off England's best athletes? Undecided
  
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Re: Playing in weak open tournaments
Reply #11 - 06/19/06 at 07:48:38
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I presume this is not exactly off topic. There’s a rule change in rating calculations. Every single game will be rated from July 2006. Concept of tournament average is buried. Of course, there is a cap of 350 points.


I dont think this makes too much difference to the over-all calculations (as far as I know this was a suggestion of Anand, and it seems quite sensible, and will make it easier to keep track of results as you go along) I remember calculating by average one time (remember there is still the 350 point applied when putting the average together) and individually, and there was hardly any difference at all - I am sure over 100 games there is some difference, statisticians out there  Huh  Anyway I thought this rule had already been applied? Are you saying it is being applied in calculation of July 2006 list for the first time? Just curious.
  
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Re: Playing in weak open tournaments
Reply #10 - 06/18/06 at 09:35:08
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I always liked the way Mark Hebden tackles players who won't resign in completely lost positions: he takes his time and enjoys the position, very often I have noticed that lots of spectators then come to watch (presumably because winning positions are much more attractive to look at) and the pressure of having lots of people watching the game and Mark obviously revelling in it often proves too much to stand! Smiley
I suppose what the stubborn opponent is hoping for is that you will get annoyed and flustered, and move hastily, and he is probably also hoping to get the game over quickly if he is going to lose anyway.
  
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