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Re: Playing in weak open tournaments
Reply #9 - 06/18/06 at 09:10:04
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Many years ago, the late Simon Webb's "Chess for Tigers" advocated "playing the man, not the board", and suggested when playing rabbits (weak players) you should keep the position simple and to trap heffalumps (strong players) you should take them into a swamp and hope they sink first (i.e. complicate).

However in practice I've found that rabbits go down much more easily if you attack them forcefully as they much more able to avoid bad moves in simple posiitons. 

As for playing players much lower rated or who won't resign, I follow a simple psychological formula (touched on in Rowson's Deadly Sins with a Zebra books) which is to just play the position, keep trying to find good moves and ignore all external considerations. This is good for your chess, good for your mind, and more enjoyable rather than letting thoughts like "why won't this twerp resign yet" creep in.

  

Those who want to go by my perverse footsteps play such pawn structure with fuzzy atypical still strategic orientations

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Re: Playing in weak open tournaments
Reply #8 - 06/17/06 at 23:16:31
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castlerock wrote on 06/17/06 at 05:22:06:
I presume this is not exactly off topic. There’s a rule change in rating calculations. Every single game will be rated from July 2006. Concept of tournament average is buried. Of course, there is a cap of 350 points. If the rating of the opponent is lesser than yours, the difference is restricted to 350 points.

Let’s say A’s rating is 2000 and his/her opponent’s is 1650. A loss will lose 15 points, a draw will lose 5.85 points and a win will gain only 1.65 points. If we substitute it for 2350 and 2000, corresponding figures would be …..SAME!

In reality, it would not be this bad, since opponent’s rating normally improves as you win. This will pull the score needed for break even down and help higher rated player. I have an uneasy feeling that this rule is going to induce inflation and reduce the risk Keano expressed



What? Is FIDO going from the ELO rating to something similar to the swedish system?! Was this decided in Turin?

Hmm, seems I should consider putting my pieces on the shelf then - as nowadays I get bored playing low rated tournaments and these days it's all we have around here.  Cry

And with this system I suppose Copenhagen open won't be worth the effort as there's usually lots of 1000-1900s to play in the first first few rounds - which is boring enough without a preliminary two hour travel to Copenhagen.


Anyway, back to the topic of weak opens. I think Karpov gave a very good advice how to beat weaker players, i don't remember the exact words but the content was something like 'allow them a little counter-play and you'll win much easier', which I think is a good idea BUT it entails staying sharp during the whole game, as these guys dont surrender when being a piece down - at least not as long as there's a possible threat to be made...

If you know the weaker players, it's usually much easier to get the full point as one can adapt oneself to their strengths & weaknesses - the big trouble is that's it's not much fun, so you'll need a cash motivator and around here those are patheticly small...
  
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Re: Playing in weak open tournaments
Reply #7 - 06/17/06 at 05:22:06
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I presume this is not exactly off topic. There’s a rule change in rating calculations. Every single game will be rated from July 2006. Concept of tournament average is buried. Of course, there is a cap of 350 points. If the rating of the opponent is lesser than yours, the difference is restricted to 350 points.

Let’s say A’s rating is 2000 and his/her opponent’s is 1650. A loss will lose 15 points, a draw will lose 5.85 points and a win will gain only 1.65 points. If we substitute it for 2350 and 2000, corresponding figures would be …..SAME!

In reality, it would not be this bad, since opponent’s rating normally improves as you win. This will pull the score needed for break even down and help higher rated player. I have an uneasy feeling that this rule is going to induce inflation and reduce the risk Keano expressed
  

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Re: Playing in weak open tournaments
Reply #6 - 06/17/06 at 02:09:04
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I will play in a tournament where I'm one of the top two or three seeds, but I prefer to play in ones where I'm more or less anonymous.  In the "weaker" opens that I play in, a single draw can have me lose rating points.  I've won tournaments that have cost me rating points and left a bitter taste in my mouth.  The money helps me to buy some beer to wash it out though. 
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Even so, I get far more enjoyment playing (and occasionally winning prizes) in tougher tournaments.  Here in the US, the opportunity to play in a closed event is very rare.  They are the most rewarding in terms of chess quality, but the least lucrative.   

But as I tell my students, "don't play chess for the money; play it for the fun!"
  
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Re: Playing in weak open tournaments
Reply #5 - 06/16/06 at 12:45:26
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I agree with Harding on this 

http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz73.pdf

"The rise of weekend tournaments, from about 1966, was in my opinion a
major factor in making British chess more competitive and exciting"

And it is also widely accepted that this format lead to the English olympiad 
Sucesses in the eighties and ninties.

Anyway enough flag waving. 

I think that playing any competitive chess will be good for your chess as I believe you play against yourself in a game as much as you play your opponent.
 

  
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Re: Playing in weak open tournaments
Reply #4 - 06/16/06 at 12:19:48
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Yes - I think it is a skill in itself to play these tournaments. I actually think the sharper style is not necessary here (and for me an unnecessary risk) as when I started these type of tournaments I had a couple of reverses. For me the sharp style is ideal for playing higher rated players (they hate being attacked Cool ) and I found a strange thing that when I jst tried not so hard and went to super solid mode then the wins just followed automatically - it also helps you conserve a lot of energy.
  
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Re: Playing in weak open tournaments
Reply #3 - 06/16/06 at 11:53:39
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I kinda agree. Weaker players dont challenge you during the game. So your style of play gets sloppier.
  

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Re: Playing in weak open tournaments
Reply #2 - 06/16/06 at 11:37:13
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Taking Karpov's positional style into account, presumably playing for wins could be destructive to his style, which emphasized solidity.  I suspect that a player who traded on dynamism more--like Kasparov, for example--would be more open to your philosophy, when he would prefer to sacrifice material or some other imbalance in order to get a complicated game.  Karpov's style frowns upon this kind of play, so I presume that's what he meant.  I guess the question boils down to whether you're wanting to play win-at-all-cost chess or whether you tend to play a rock-solid positional chess.  The latter might not lend itself to this approach...
  

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Re: Playing in weak open tournaments
Reply #1 - 06/16/06 at 11:34:57
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Yes i've played in these (i actually scored 7/7 in a tournament of 40 players before  Roll Eyes ). The key is not to lose control of the position, and not to try too hard, they will usually make significant mistakes by move 30. Weaker players may also not be as flexible as stronger players, and they sometimes play abysmally when out of book. If you outrate your opponent by 200-300 points, you don't really need to rely on the opening to beat him. Still, if you are the typical Chesspub subscriber, you should have no problems punishing his opening mistakes..
  
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Playing in weak open tournaments
06/16/06 at 10:11:36
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I noticed a comment from Karpov in an interview somewhere that he would never play in an Open tournament because in his opinion, for a world class player, it would lead to a "destruction of style".

Now if I can take this angle to a somewhat ower level (i.e. my own) what do people think of playing in weak open tournaments? I am talking of tournaments where you are expected to score say 7.5/9 to break even in rating.

Opinions! Personally I think it is a good challenge to try and win all your games - completely different to the classic all play all tournaments. The downside is that after one slip up you are in big trouble
  
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