Here's a nice video illustration of white's play in this line. I get the impression black must come up with a much better plan early on, or he'll just be a pawn down eventually...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSN6SwRFDFs&mode=related&search=

I believe a lower rated player is always just that - lower rated. The Worlds Elite make 2500 GM´s look like clowns at times. If there is a substantial difference in rating I believe you should have no problems creating winning chances with the Benko. 

In my opinion the Benko is a good weapon but only on occasion. If a theoretician like Khalifman has some faith to play it on occasion it cant be all that bad.

In short, our good young Dutch GM Van der Weide is getting carried away with himself. Also some of his analysis seems suspect - the ...Bxc3 idea in that game with Danner looks to work just fine to me - he should interpose ...Qxe2! exchanging queens, then a Black rook comes to b8 and all is well, I cant see how Black can ever lose that position, he may eventually win the pawn back, and shock horror even win...

Just to confuse things further . . .

In CBM 110, GM Alik Gershon surveys the castle-by-hand line where Black plays ..Ra6 and ..Qa8.  His game list includes Van der Weide's loss as Black in this line.  Yet Gershon concludes that Black is doing well and says (somewhat tounge-in-cheek) that he has a "conspiracy theory" that this line is what has caused White to start playing Rb1 and b6 lines.

yes i read those NIC surveys, strange that van der Weide thought the old fashioned line so strong, wonder why the GMs invented new methods like 5. b6 and 10. Rb1 if the oldest line of all worked! 

hello, i think the problem with 10. Rb1 is that non-masters find it hard to switch between the plan with b4 and the plan with e4-e5. In the Modern Benoni, White can play for both b4 and e5 too, but then Black is less active on the queenside, so it's easier for White there. 
Anyway, it takes lots of chess strength to play on the whole board. Sveshnikov, while advocating 3. e5 vs. the French in recent NIC yearbook, says White needs to play on the whole board in that line, which is really the highest form of chess mastery, presumably that's why we should learn 3. e5. For similiar reasons, maybe that's why we should also learn 10. Rb1 vs. the Benko!

I too find the Rb1 lines difficult to play.   

In slower games, I'll often take the pawns and play the main line with g3/Kg2.  Not that this is any easier to play, but at least I'm familiar with it.  Van der Weide wrote an article in the NIC YB a few years ago, in which he was very down on the Black side of these lines.

Playing this way takes a lot of care and patience.  I have to be in the mood for it and I can't think fast enough to play it in blitz.  (I've tried, but the results are not pretty.)  In blitz, I'll usually play Palliser's 4.Nf3 recommendations or my old favorite 5.f3.

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Keano wrote on 04/12/07 at 10:43:35:


I certainly can't claim deep understanding of Benko positions.  I find it very difficult to tell when Black has enough compensation and when he doesn't.  But lately I've been dabbling with 10. Rb1 in informal games, and I haven't found that it plays itself, to put it mildly.  There's still a game of chess after 10. Rb1; whether White is objectively better, I have no idea.

One simple question I have, which no doubt reveals the depths of my ignorance of this game, is how much White should strive for simplification in these Benko-type middle games.  It seems to me that as long as Black has both his rooks, he can claim some compensation.  So is it better for White to play a maneuvering game, or to simplify?

Markovich, point taken. But I was looking at the position at work, so I was just making some general observations. It's an interesting position; at some point I'm going to try and work out some specific lines to see if my initial observations are correct.

In terms of the "free chess lessons" bit, I think John Cox has been pretty generous in saying what he does and doesn't know.

Seems to be some questions about h3 and Qc1. I don't know the reasons for these moves either. Just some vague observations, with no supporting analysis 

1) Markovich gives 17. Bb2 c4?!  18. Nd4 cxb3  19. axb3 as good for white. If that is true, then it seems that part of the reason why black covers c6 is because after ...c4 white has Nf3-d4-c6. If white doesn't play h3, maybe black can just play Bg4xf3, when there is no reason, in the short-term at least, to worry about c6?

2) Another idea (or maybe in addition to (1) above) is that maybe the f3 knight is just a better piece than black's light-square bishop. For example, in Flear's main line when the bishop goes to d7, it's basically a defensive piece. But the f3 knight could find some good squares (c4 or d4), and/or help in an attack on black's king.

3) My idea on 20. Qc1 is that maybe it gives some additional attack possibilities for white on the dark squares around black's king. Flear's main line seems to indicate this, since black spent 3 moves (20. ...Qa6, 21. ...Qc8, 22. ...Qf8!) to cover them.

4) Also, and not related to Qc1 exactly, but it seems like the moves 18-23 were for the most part defensive. 18-19 black repositions his bishop to cover c6, 20-22 he moves his queen to a defensive role on the kingside (as a response to Qc1, maybe, but I don't know for sure), and then on 23 plays Ra7 (getting the rook off the long-diagonal). To me, this seems to imply that there are some neat tactics lurking somewhere underneath.

lnn2 wrote on 10/01/06 at 04:03:46:


To me, 17. Bb2 c4?!  18. Nd4 cxb3  19. axb3 looks good for White.  White has a safe passed pawn and really great queenside play with Nc6.  How does Black stop that, ...Bxd4 and kiss good-bye the kingside dark squares?

Actually, there have been quite a lot of games from Taimanov’s end position (including a loss by Benko). I think this is how White has to play – a couple of GMs have gone Rfd1 allowing …Nc4, but they both lost rather miserably.

White’s done very well. Black normally starts with 18…Bc8, and White meets this with 19 h3 (as in the Malakhatko game; Malakhatko had previously been Black in the same position, btw). I suppose …Ba6-c8-d7 is partly to prepare ….c4, by hitting a4 and protecting c6.

It’s at this point my usefulness as a guide ceases, since I don’t understand h3. In my understanding, this move is sometimes useful for White in the Benko to prevent …Ng4. But surely White doesn’t need to be bothered about …Bg4, does he? Would he care about …Bg4xf3? It makes e5 harder to achieve to be sure, but I would have thought that (as in the Benoni) it’s designed to achieve a blockade and slow the game down, but in the Benko that must suit White, I’d have thought.

For good measure, I don’t understand why the Qc1 which Malakhatko praises so highly is a good move either (not that I’m doubting him: he always beats me).

I see White won in Bluvshtein-Khairullin in the world junior 2005 with the plan a4/Rdc1/Bf1 and then Nd1-b2, Nd2-c4. This looks like a sensible sort of plan to me, except that I wonder whether 19 a4 could not have been met with 19….c4!? Could White start with Bf1, perhaps? I’m not worried about 19…Bg4 20 Be2, but maybe that’s just my ignorance, of course.

Many thanks MnB. I'm amazed at your old sources.
Taimanov's assessment looks right, so the 10 Rb1 Benko is really not easy to play!

Hello, was going through Cox's 1. d4 book and working through the Benko section. Am wondering what happens after 10. Rb1 0-0 11. 0-0 Qa5 12. Bd2 Rfb8 13. Qc2 Nb6!?. 12... Nb6 could be met by 13. b3  Qa3 14. Ne1 (then Nc2) as in Dautov game, but this Ne1 maneuver is no longer possible after White commits to 13. Qc2. So what to do? 13. Qc2 Nb6 14. a4 does not look good because of 14... Nc4 15. Bc1 Qb4! 16. b3 Na3, and 14. b3 Qa3 15. Bc1 Qa5 16. Rd1 Ne8 means White has to put the bishop on b2 (which i'm not so keen because then ... c4 seems strong, Gurevich-Cao Sang comes to mind).. e.g. 17. Bb2 (17. Bd2 Qa3 seems to repeat) c4!?, and probably the only way to exploit this is 18. Nd4 but i don't really know whether cxb3/axb3 is good for White ( i really much prefer the "autopilot" stable structure a4 and b3).  The stem game seems to be Malakhatko-Aveskulov (given in Flear's ebook and Informator) which ended a win for White but maybe Black in that game should try to play for c4.

Many thanks in advance