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Poll Question: Which way does your Knights face?
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Both looking left    
  11 (26.2%)
Both looking right    
  2 (4.8%)
Both looking forward    
  11 (26.2%)
Both looking back    
  0 (0.0%)
Both diagonally towards the centre    
  7 (16.7%)
One diagonally forward the other back    
  0 (0.0%)
Both looking at each other    
  9 (21.4%)
Both looking away from each other    
  2 (4.8%)
Both look diagonally back at you    
  0 (0.0%)
Both diagonally back away, left & right    
  0 (0.0%)




Total votes: 42
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Re: Knight Poll
Reply #32 - 11/28/06 at 10:43:24
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Really?? Never – it’s always got to be +, surely?

I seem to recall there was some tale about the late Tony Miles and a j’adoube war; anyone remember it?
  
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Re: Knight Poll
Reply #31 - 11/28/06 at 10:39:45
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ErictheRed wrote on 11/28/06 at 06:10:54:
By the way, does anyone know of any "ja doube" wars?  If I come to the board after my opponent has set up the pieces, I correct my knights.  Have there been any incidents where the players go back and forth, switching the orientations of the knights on the board?  And if one player complained about which way his opponent's knights faced, is there a rule that governs this?


Each player has command of how his/her own pieces stand, the opponent may correct them if they're off centre of its square but not change the direction they face. Regarding j'adoube-wars I played some control freak about 15 years ago, who kept making sure all rooks on the board were always aligned X instead of + regarding the notches on the top of them. 
Strangely, I don't recollect even hearing about any similar cases regarding knights, while this rook thing is not totally uncommon especially among young players...
  
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Re: Knight Poll
Reply #30 - 11/28/06 at 06:10:54
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By the way, does anyone know of any "j'adoube" wars?  If I come to the board after my opponent has set up the pieces, I correct my knights.  Have there been any incidents where the players go back and forth, switching the orientations of the knights on the board?  And if one player complained about which way his opponent's knights faced, is there a rule that governs this?
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Re: Knight Poll
Reply #29 - 11/28/06 at 06:06:59
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I don't understand the people who point their knights straight ahead.  It makes them harder to see, since they're so narrow--by turning them to one side or the other, you see the profile of the knight and thus a much larger image in your field of view.   

I hate people who point their knights straight ahead!  Angry  Angry

I start with all knights facing the center.  As the game moves on, they keep that orientation...for the most part.  I've noticed that I sometimes "fix" the orientation of the knights, for instance in the French Tarrasch when White plays both Ng1-e2-c3 and Nb1-d2-f3 I might point them both back towards the dividing line between the d and e files.  When only one knight remains on the board, I guess I point it at the dividing line regardless of where it came from.

Wow, I never thought about it before now, but I think I'm going to start noticing the way the knights point and waste time wondering whether I should change their orientation during play or not.  Thanks a lot, guys...
  
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Re: Knight Poll
Reply #28 - 11/09/06 at 16:15:16
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Come to think of it, I DO remember what I used to do when I exchanged one of my knights: It would always point and the line which devides the d and e files.
  

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Reply #27 - 11/09/06 at 16:11:56
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I never thought I'd find myself spending time on this but the truth is, it does matter to me! Smiley 
When I started playing chess, the only way I'd have my knights is facing each other, but I can't remember what I did when I exchanged one of them!  Grin
Anyway, the thing is, having my knights pointing somewhere else felt kind of "ugly" from an aesthetic standpoint (maybe because at an early age we tend to consider symmetry a perfect geometrical shape). 
As time went by, I "evolved" and now the only way I'll have my knights on the board is facing left. Everything else looks kind of ugly to me, except knights facing each other, which sort of feels "well intentioned but not evolved, not sophisticated enough". Cheesy
I actually tend to understimate players who have their knights facing each other! Cheesy (nothing to do with reality, of course, but that's how it feels to me!)
I had a few laughs reading thru this thread.   Grin
  

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Re: Knight Poll
Reply #26 - 11/05/06 at 08:12:19
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I point my knights diagonally forward and away from the center and generally keep them that way throughout the match.  I guess this is a conscious effort to be a bit unusual in the opening and a subconscious reflection of my initiation into chess using descriptive notation.  Since descriptive notation required remembering which knight was a King's or Queen's, I didn't bother remembering which was which.  I'd just look which way each was facing.   

I probably did place them facing the opposite direction to what my opponents expected in order to gain some imaginary psychological advantage.  Well, perhaps it wasn't imaginary since the thought would give me confidence.
  
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Re: Knight Poll
Reply #25 - 11/04/06 at 15:58:49
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Took a peek in Russian Silhouettes but only found two:

Vitolinsh - Nf3 = left, Nb1 = forward (an option I'd forgotten)

Geller - looking away from each other


Anybody seen Tal's and Botvinnik's preference?


Btw, is it possible to change options without deleting the votes? 

If so I'd consider changing 9 and 10 to 

one forward, one sideways facing the other
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one forward, one sideways away from the other

(the moderator can feel free to change this if it's possible without erasing votes)
  
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Re: Knight Poll
Reply #24 - 11/04/06 at 15:18:13
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Ok, I happen to have a lot of books on Capablanca and I looked through the photos to see if he had a "knight orientation" preference.
In almost all of his earlier games, both knights were facing forward (even in simul displays were there are lots of boards setup).  Then around the late 20's they started to go sideways in some pictures and forward in others.  Finally, I found one were one knight is sideways and other is diagonal backwards.  I guess he really let himself go!  Anyway, this is based on just the few photographs I could find were the knights were clear.

As for Kramnik (another personal favorite)  I found more than a dozen  pictures of him playing (from Dortmund, Linares, the Leko Match, Topalov Match, etc) and both knights were facing left in all but one (its worth noting the knight was still on g1 and he might not have "gotten around to it" yet).  Most telling of all, there is a picture of the board before a game in the recent WCC match where the knights are facing away from each other; but in a later photo (taken after the game had started) both knights are facing left.  I think Kramnk might be a "lefty".

I leave it up to other people to check out other great players and their knights....

  

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Reply #23 - 11/03/06 at 15:32:01
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Maybe we will even come to the conclusion that it is a correspondence between knight-position and strength..
  

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Reply #22 - 11/03/06 at 15:27:53
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Interesting poll! I use to put the knight´s in the starting square both looking away from each other (right and left) and during the game everything depends where each knight are. Usually, I divide the board in two and the knight at the right, are always looking right and the knight on the left of the board are always looking to the left.  Wink
  

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Re: Knight Poll
Reply #21 - 11/03/06 at 14:50:18
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TalJechin wrote on 11/03/06 at 09:56:43:

Does anyone here know which way some of the big names put their knights?


Fischer's kts look at each other.
  

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Re: Knight Poll
Reply #20 - 11/03/06 at 10:49:49
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TalJechin wrote on 11/03/06 at 09:56:43:
I wonder, could the way you put the knights be a 'tell'? i.e. would players of different styles be prone to turn them in a certain direction?! E.g. I can imagine that knights facing forward could be the choice of a very aggressive player...  Wink

Does anyone here know which way some of the big names put their knights?


Nigel Short points his Knights forward, the late Tony Miles used to have them facing each other, if we can get more data we can come to some conclusions on this - could be a topic for a Masters thesis....
  
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Reply #19 - 11/03/06 at 10:39:36
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P.S.2: I just noticed TalJechin's post above and wanted to add that Kasparov's Knights were always pointed to the left at the start of each game during his match with Short (London 1993). So, I suppose this is could also be the sign of an attacking (and maybe uncompromising) player..


My personal experience is that people with 'double lefties' are frequently quite booked up, almost as if they've adopted the diagram set-up from the books!  Wink
  
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Re: Knight Poll
Reply #18 - 11/03/06 at 10:03:35
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My approach is a bit more scientific:
I place both Knights pointing to the left and in this way you only need 2 fingers to move them (index & thumb). So, with the remaining 3 fingers you can simultaneously capture an enemy piece. I don't know why but when the Knights are pointed forward, I tend to use 3 fingers to move them (and when I need to capture a piece the juggling part starts!). 

P.S.: I have also noticed that this slightly disturbs some people (purists I'll say) like Willempie! The funny thing is that I fall into this category as well (!) and would prefer that my opponent's Knights are pointed forward Huh

P.S.2: I just noticed TalJechin's post above and wanted to add that Kasparov's Knights were always pointed to the left at the start of each game during his match with Short (London 1993). So, I suppose this is could also be the sign of an attacking (and maybe uncompromising) player..
  

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