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Re: Forthcoming book: Play The Ruy Lopez
Reply #24 - 12/20/06 at 10:52:30
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The Worrall is an interesting and brave choice for a book. I used to play this as a kid I think I saw it recommended by Leonard Barden! In those days avoiding the open was certainly a bonus, although these days I dont think the open variation is really something that should be avoided. 

The question really (in the over-all picture of things) is whether the Worrall positions are more interesting to play than the standard anti-Marshall stuff. I have no idea why it is not more fashionable, since the lines with d3 are very similar in tone to the Italian game quiet lines with d3 which all the GM´s are happy to play.
  
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Reply #23 - 12/19/06 at 16:20:09
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Actually yes: I believe that after 7...d6 8.a4 then 8...Bd7 is a useful option, and probably the simplest way to equalise. And perhaps it could be argued that against any other alternatives to 8.c3, the fact that the e5-pawn is now defended turns ...Nc6-a5 into an immediate positional threat, exchanging the bishop - thereby reducing White's options. Not that it matters much in practice, but those are the reasons why I, as someone who does not intend to play the Marshall, have always preferred 7...d6 to 7...0-0.
  
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Reply #22 - 12/19/06 at 15:50:28
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Only teasing. Besides judging from recent supertournaments the elite agree with you that Black basically can force an anti-Marshall with 7...00.

Educate me here; is there any variation Black is better positioned to meet if he starts with 7...d6 rather than 7.....00? Why would you ever prefer the former even if you're actually not going to play the Marshall?
  
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Re: Forthcoming book: Play The Ruy Lopez
Reply #21 - 12/19/06 at 15:28:29
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IMJohnCox wrote on 12/19/06 at 15:19:30:
Interesting Freudian slip suggesting that BLACK can force an Anti-Marshall!


Well, what I meant was that if Black played the Marshall move order then I would have played an Anti-Marshall, meaning another independent system that I needed to know. I thought it would be a bit long-wonded to explain this in the passage, but you're probably right John, to an observant reader it may look as though I slipped up. Perhaps I should have just said 'Marshall'...although I felt that this could have been taken to mean that I would have allowed the gambit, which I would not, so I'm not sure what would have been the best solution.
  
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Re: Forthcoming book: Play The Ruy Lopez
Reply #20 - 12/19/06 at 15:19:30
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Interesting Freudian slip suggesting that BLACK can force an Anti-Marshall!
  
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EXTRACT FROM INTRODUCTION
Reply #19 - 12/19/06 at 15:16:09
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I'd like to thank everyone here for their questions, comments and interest.
I've been in touch with Everyman about posting a few short extracts from the book on these pages, and although some things must remain top-secret I have been told I can provide a few snippets. So here is a passage from the Introduction, which expands on some of the points raised in my previous post.



As I briefly mentioned earlier, I feel as though my own understanding of (the Ruy Lopez) took a big leap a couple of years ago, and the Lopez became a more or less exclusive choice for the occasions on which I faced 1.e4 e5. I enjoyed playing it, and was fascinated by the diversity of the possible middlegame positions that could be reached. At the same time, the only down side to playing the main lines - aside from the need to spend countless hours studying the theory of Black's different methods of defence - was that it always seemed as though it was my opponent who had the power to steer the game into his own 'pet variation', whether it be the solid Berlin Defence, the Arkhangel, the Open Variation, an Anti-Marshall line, or one of the numerous branches (Chigorin, Breyer, Zaitsev and so on) of the Closed Ruy Lopez. There are many others as well, all of which present their own unique, and often very difficult challenges.

After a while I began to wonder if, from a practical point of view, it might be better to base my repertoire on a comparative sideline; something that would enable me to go some way towards redressing the balance in terms of familiarity with the opening battleground. In other words, to deviate from the established 'main line' at an early stage, in favour of directing the game into my own familiar territory and taking my opponent away from theirs. Of course it is not always possible to do this; for example if Black decides to opt for an immediate deviation on the third move then White has no choice but to do battle on the opponent's turf. Still, if a Lopez player can find a suitable sideline against Black's most common continuation (3...a6 4.Ba4 Nf6) then he may rest assured that, in the majority of his games in the Ruy Lopez, he will be able to steer the game into his own preferred domain rather than that of his opponent.

It was around this time, while I was considering the idea of basing my Lopez repertoire around a suitable sideline, when I was presented with the opportunity to write the present book. After some deliberation I decided to share the fruits of my own research. This book contains a huge quantity of original ideas and analysis which you - and perhaps more importantly, your opponents - will not find published anywhere else. Much of my experience of writing this book has been a case of learning and discovering new methods as I went along. I have not held back any secrets, and I hope that this book will be viewed as one which will advance the theory of the lines covered. Of course it is inevitable that somewhere along the way there will be new ideas and improvements waiting to be discovered, and so I would encourage you to be proactive and to formulate your own opinions, plans and ideas. It is my hope that not only will you be able to learn from me, but also that I will be able to learn from you, through your future games and experiences in the Ruy Lopez.



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Re: Forthcoming book: Play The Ruy Lopez
Reply #18 - 12/19/06 at 14:52:17
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I think that it is a great idea to cover the Qe2 lines. Do you think they give white as many chances to fight for advantage as the Re1 lines. I assume though that most top players think Black is okay- hence the heavy preoccupation with the so called main lines.



Another excellent question, to which it is very hard to give a definitive answer. Ultimately it probably depends on one's point of view...

It is possible that, if we are talking in strict theoretical terms, then 5.0-0 may give slightly more chances for an advantage, given extensive theoretical knowledge and model play by both sides. So from that perspective, one might say it is the stronger move. But if we took that line of thinking to an (admittedly somewhat ridiculous) extreme, we could say that both moves should almost certainly lead to an eventual draw assuming perfect play by both sides, and so both moves are equal! Of course this kind of thinking would have little or no relevance to a practical game between 2800s, let alone the rest of us.

I prefer to think in more practical terms. A move like 5.Qe2 prevents the opponent from playing their own 'pet system', whatever that might be, and forces them to think for themselves at an early stage. Most of the time, for the majority of players, I believe that these benefits will more than compensate for any possible 'theoretical' drawback compared with 5.0-0.

So to summarise: from a theoretical perspective, 5.0-0 may ultimately be a marginally stronger choice. In real life, I believe that 5.Qe2 can more than hold its own for the reasons outlined.
  
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Re: Forthcoming book: Play The Ruy Lopez
Reply #17 - 12/18/06 at 23:03:54
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I think that it is a great idea to cover the Qe2 lines. Do you think they give white as many chances to fight for advantage as the Re1 lines. I assume though that most top players think Black is okay- hence the heavy preoccupation with the so called main lines.
  
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Reply #16 - 12/18/06 at 11:23:57
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OstapBender wrote on 12/17/06 at 17:23:51:
Nobody's asked this yet and I hope this doesn't come across as rude, but...

To IM Andrew Greet:

Do you have a lot of experience playing the Ruy Lopez, and the Worrall variation in particular?



No offence taken whatsoever - I think this is an important question to ask of any author. I address this fully in the introduction, but the short answer is that yes, I do have a lot of experience on both sides of the Lopez, and especially as White.

I should mention, for the benefit of any particularly diligent researchers who wish to test this claim by searching for my Lopez games on Chessbase, that you will not find very many! You will have to take my word for it; I have played a lot of games over the years in events, such as (but not limited to) British weekend tournaments which never make it on to Chessbase. I hope that the book will 'feel' as though it has been written by a specialist, but readers will have to judge that for themselves.

In terms of the Worrall specifically, it is a different story - I had never played it before I began writing the book. I was beginning to think that maybe I would do well to convert to... or at least to include in my repertoire, a comparitive sideline instead of churning out the same old main line stuff in every game. So I researched it for the book, as well as with a view to playing it in my own games.

(so far I have had just a single opportunity to test it, against an FM a few months ago, and won the game)

  
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Re: Forthcoming book: Play The Ruy Lopez
Reply #15 - 12/18/06 at 10:57:25
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TopNotch wrote on 12/17/06 at 17:26:15:
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TimS wrote on 12/17/06 at 11:15:13:
It all sounds very good. Perhaps I'll have to consider giving up 4.Bxc6 .... Cry


Well, there's nothing at all wrong with 4.Bxc6 - if you like the ideas presented in the book then maybe you could include both 4.Bxc6 and 4.Ba4 in your repertoire. I always like to keep some variety in my openings to avoid being too predictable.
There are also around 150 pages devoted to Black's alternatives to 3...a6, so I hope that even hardened fanatics of 4.Bxc6 will find the book useful.


At the moment 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.0-0 Qf6!? is doing quite well for Black and has become increasingly popular after the publication of Nigel Davies book advocating it. This line with 5...Qf6 has in general been poorly covered in the theory on the exchange variation.


I play 5.Nc3 (having upgraded from 5.d4).  If then 5... Qf6, I would have thought 6.d4 would be good for White. But then that would be my instinctive reaction in the line with 5.0-0, and presumably Davies has something special in mind for that?
  
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Reply #14 - 12/17/06 at 17:26:15
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TimS wrote on 12/17/06 at 11:15:13:
It all sounds very good. Perhaps I'll have to consider giving up 4.Bxc6 .... Cry


Well, there's nothing at all wrong with 4.Bxc6 - if you like the ideas presented in the book then maybe you could include both 4.Bxc6 and 4.Ba4 in your repertoire. I always like to keep some variety in my openings to avoid being too predictable.
There are also around 150 pages devoted to Black's alternatives to 3...a6, so I hope that even hardened fanatics of 4.Bxc6 will find the book useful.


At the moment 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.0-0 Qf6!? is doing quite well for Black and has become increasingly popular after the publication of Nigel Davies book advocating it. This line with 5...Qf6 has in general been poorly covered in the theory on the exchange variation.

Regarding the Worrall Attack, I gave this up around the same time as Tiviakov did. Nevertheless new books on the Ruy Lopez for White or Black are always welcome, and I think I will snap this one up when its released if only because the Worall Attack has recieved so little theoretical coverage in the past, not counting a couple of excellent surveys I think by Tiviakov himself in New In Chess yearbooks sometime back.

Seasons Greetings and good luck with book sales.

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Re: Forthcoming book: Play The Ruy Lopez
Reply #13 - 12/17/06 at 17:23:51
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Nobody's asked this yet and I hope this doesn't come across as rude, but...

To IM Andrew Greet:

Do you have a lot of experience playing the Ruy Lopez, and the Worrall variation in particular?

In the introduction to his 'Play the Nimzo-Indian' book, Dearing writes:

"When Byron Jacobs of Everyman Chess first came to me with the proposal for this book I initially had some reservations concerning whether I really was the correct person to undertake such a project..."

He goes on to give his reasons for deciding in favor of writing the book, and I think it is a fine book (I bought it and found it useful).

While I don't think lack of (or limited) playing experience precludes writing an excellent book on a particular opening, I think having such experience can put one in a much better position to offer original ideas/analysis for your readers.  For example, I'm really impressed with Dearing's 'Play the Sicilian Dragon' book but a bit less so with his Nimzo book.  I like (and would readily recommend) both but Dearing's book on the Dragon is a masterpiece, and I think his  extensive playing experience with the Dragon is what made the difference.

  

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Re: Forthcoming book: Play The Ruy Lopez
Reply #12 - 12/17/06 at 13:58:08
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Yes, a lot of the ideas and manoeuvres are quite thematic for the Ruy Lopez generally. The c3/d4 idea is absolutely standard, but in the Worrall it is often supported by Rf1-d1 after castling, which could give Black an extra headache over the position of his queen opposite the rook. The Nbd2-f1-g3 manoeuvre is also frequently seen.
Another nice point is that in many lines where Black plays ...b5, the thematic a2-a4 thrust can obviously be much more effective with the queen already on e2.

To summarise, by playing the Worrall we are hoping to implement some familiar ideas, in slightly more favourable circumstances. Naturally, Black also has a few different options which may not have been available in the main line positions, but overall I think this system has a lot going for it.
  
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Re: Forthcoming book: Play The Ruy Lopez
Reply #11 - 12/17/06 at 13:44:05
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They are quite similar. Qe2 of course. Rook goes to d1 and not e1. Otherwise similar. (Nd2, f1, g3 for instance. Play for e4, d4 center.)
  

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Re: Forthcoming book: Play The Ruy Lopez
Reply #10 - 12/17/06 at 12:29:19
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Just one general question. I am not really familiar with the Worrall, but are the lines similar to the standard (closed) lines? Ie going for c3 and d4, plus the standard manouvres with Nb1-d2-f1-g3.
  

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