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Re: Forthcoming book: Play The Ruy Lopez
Reply #69 - 02/09/07 at 00:28:48
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Probably because mine was a Starting Out book.

Thanks for the sympathy, antillian! But I derived the main benefit I sought from it, which was sorting out my own repertoire a bit.
  
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Reply #68 - 02/09/07 at 00:11:34
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Prince-Nez wrote on 02/08/07 at 17:45:16:
IMJohnCox wrote on 02/08/07 at 17:32:31:
Good question. Starting Out 1d4 had easily 100 pages worth of material cut from it, and it would have been a lot better with it left in IMHO.!


Perhaps you could post those 100+ pages here?  Wink Grin 

I hope IM Greet will tell us why he was given so much space.  Superficially, I would have guessed that such a generous allotment would only be given to an author with a proven track record.  

Was it because the book is on the Ruy Lopez?  Or perhaps they were just so impressed with Andrew's work they didn't want to cut it. 



That's very surprising, I had no idea that so much was taken out of John's book. I wonder why they would do this? Huh
It would be interesting to know how much the printing costs for a publisher rise as the size of the book increases. The cost would certainly not rise on a 'linear' scale (e.g. a book of 200 pages would not be twice as expensive as the same book with 100 pages... though of course it would have to be slightly more.) From the publisher's point of view, I guess there are two things to take into consideration. Obviously a higher page count will raise the printing costs (though I suspect by a relatively small degree). However there is also a benefit: as long as the quality if pretty good, if the public can see that they are getting a lot of pages for their money then presumably this will have a positive effect on book sales. Also the author gets paid the same whether they produce 175 or 375 pages - again, from that perspective the publisher is getting better value for a larger book (obviously from my perspective, I now realise that I could have written mine as two volumes and doubled my money!)  Cry

Considering all that, it seems even stranger that they would cut so much out of Starting Out d4. I haven't seen the material that was cut, but I know John is an excellent author so it is hard to imagine it was to do with the quality.

As for my book, there was never any mention of cutting it down, even when it became very clear that it was going to end up on the long side. Why did they cut John's book yet leave mine, despite it being even longer? I have no idea, you will have to ask the Everyman management!
  
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Re: Forthcoming book: Play The Ruy Lopez
Reply #67 - 02/08/07 at 21:37:54
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TopNotch wrote on 02/08/07 at 17:36:56:
Markovich wrote on 06/02/06 at 20:45:49:
I will now be generous and share what I believe to be the refutation of a major line of the Berlin Classical:  1. e4 e5  2. Nf3 Nc6  3. Bb5 Nf6  4. 0-0 Bc5  5. Nxe5 (this may be White's best, I opine) 5...Nxe5 6. d4 a6!  7. Be2! Nxe4?.  I say "?" because I believe I have the refutation:  8. dxc5 Nxc5  9. Qd4 d6  10. f4 Ng6  11. Qxg7 Bf5 and now 12. g4!  Some time ago in Hard Chess I wrote that 12...Qe7!  13. gxf5 Qxe2  14. fxg6 Qg4+  15. Kh1 0-0-0 appeared to give Black reasonable chances for his piece.  For example, 16. Nc3? Ne6! and White is in a lot of trouble (this was actually played in a high-level game, but I forget by whom and where).  White instead should play 16. Qd4! hxg6  17. Nc3 and now 17...Rh3 (does anyone see anything better? -- I don't) reaches a position I considered in Hard Chess, where I thought White would continue with 18. Be3, and I showed that by hurrying his knight to f5, Black could get good play.  But White has instead 18. Qg1! proposing simplification.

If 18...Qh5 then 19. f5! (this move is my major point) 19...gxf4  20. Bf4 and White is fine after 20...Ne4  21. Nxe4 or 20...Ne6  21. Ne2.

If 18...Qf5 then 19. Qg5 Qxc2  20. Qg4+ Qf5  21. Qxf5 and Black has too little for his piece.

If 18...Qh4 then 19. Rf2 (I think this is even stronger than 19. Qf2; 19. f5? doesn't work because of 19...Ne4) 19...Rh8  20. Bd2 and here again, I don't think that Black can justify his sacrificed piece.  White's king is surprisingly safe and he has play with moves like Raf1 and Rg2.

My conclusion is that Black can't play 7...Nxe4 but must instead try 7...Ba7 8. dxe5 Nxe4


Was that the post you had in mind Willempie?

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Re: Forthcoming book: Play The Ruy Lopez
Reply #66 - 02/08/07 at 19:52:46
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Antillian wrote on 02/08/07 at 19:41:17:
IMJohnCox wrote on 02/08/07 at 17:32:31:
Good question. Starting Out 1d4 had easily 100 pages worth of material cut from it, and it would have been a lot better with it left in IMHO.



That must be fustrating. To put in so much extra work for nothing  Sad

Incidentedly, Quality Chess seems to be a lot more liberal with their page count. Marin's Beating the Open Games is suppsed to be 256 pages and his Spanish Opening Repertoire for Black is over 300.

But I am still amazed at this Greet work still...... 400 pages on a Ruy sideline....hmmm



Not quite just on a "sideline."  Over half the book is on the RL w/o 3...a6 and fourth move alternatives too. 

I agree with you on Quality Chess:  Liberal page counts and high quality effort and analysis.  

Of course Everyman and Gambit are also turning out a lot of excellent stuff too!  Smiley
  

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Reply #65 - 02/08/07 at 19:41:17
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IMJohnCox wrote on 02/08/07 at 17:32:31:
Good question. Starting Out 1d4 had easily 100 pages worth of material cut from it, and it would have been a lot better with it left in IMHO.



That must be fustrating. To put in so much extra work for nothing  Sad

Incidentedly, Quality Chess seems to be a lot more liberal with their page count. Marin's Beating the Open Games is suppsed to be 256 pages and his Spanish Opening Repertoire for Black is over 300.

But I am still amazed at this Greet work still...... 400 pages on a Ruy sideline....hmmm

  

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Reply #64 - 02/08/07 at 19:37:40
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TopNotch wrote on 02/08/07 at 18:19:50:
Maybe its because 1.e4 e5 commands more respect than 1d4 d5  Cheesy

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Perhaps White has to work so much harder for an advantage after 1 e4 e5 Smiley
  

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Reply #63 - 02/08/07 at 18:19:50
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Maybe its because 1.e4 e5 commands more respect than 1d4 d5  Cheesy

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Re: Forthcoming book: Play The Ruy Lopez
Reply #62 - 02/08/07 at 17:45:16
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IMJohnCox wrote on 02/08/07 at 17:32:31:
Good question. Starting Out 1d4 had easily 100 pages worth of material cut from it, and it would have been a lot better with it left in IMHO.!


Perhaps you could post those 100+ pages here?  Wink Grin 

I hope IM Greet will tell us why he was given so much space.  Superficially, I would have guessed that such a generous allotment would only be given to an author with a proven track record.  

Was it because the book is on the Ruy Lopez?  Or perhaps they were just so impressed with Andrew's work they didn't want to cut it. 
  

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Re: Forthcoming book: Play The Ruy Lopez
Reply #61 - 02/08/07 at 17:36:56
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Markovich wrote on 06/02/06 at 20:45:49:
I will now be generous and share what I believe to be the refutation of a major line of the Berlin Classical:  1. e4 e5  2. Nf3 Nc6  3. Bb5 Nf6  4. 0-0 Bc5  5. Nxe5 (this may be White's best, I opine) 5...Nxe5 6. d4 a6!  7. Be2! Nxe4?.  I say "?" because I believe I have the refutation:  8. dxc5 Nxc5  9. Qd4 d6  10. f4 Ng6  11. Qxg7 Bf5 and now 12. g4!  Some time ago in Hard Chess I wrote that 12...Qe7!  13. gxf5 Qxe2  14. fxg6 Qg4+  15. Kh1 0-0-0 appeared to give Black reasonable chances for his piece.  For example, 16. Nc3? Ne6! and White is in a lot of trouble (this was actually played in a high-level game, but I forget by whom and where).  White instead should play 16. Qd4! hxg6  17. Nc3 and now 17...Rh3 (does anyone see anything better? -- I don't) reaches a position I considered in Hard Chess, where I thought White would continue with 18. Be3, and I showed that by hurrying his knight to f5, Black could get good play.  But White has instead 18. Qg1! proposing simplification.

If 18...Qh5 then 19. f5! (this move is my major point) 19...gxf4  20. Bf4 and White is fine after 20...Ne4  21. Nxe4 or 20...Ne6  21. Ne2.

If 18...Qf5 then 19. Qg5 Qxc2  20. Qg4+ Qf5  21. Qxf5 and Black has too little for his piece.

If 18...Qh4 then 19. Rf2 (I think this is even stronger than 19. Qf2; 19. f5? doesn't work because of 19...Ne4) 19...Rh8  20. Bd2 and here again, I don't think that Black can justify his sacrificed piece.  White's king is surprisingly safe and he has play with moves like Raf1 and Rg2.

My conclusion is that Black can't play 7...Nxe4 but must instead try 7...Ba7 8. dxe5 Nxe4


Was that the post you had in mind Willempie?

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Re: Forthcoming book: Play The Ruy Lopez
Reply #60 - 02/08/07 at 17:32:31
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Good question. Starting Out 1d4 had easily 100 pages worth of material cut from it, and it would have been a lot better with it left in IMHO.

I think the answer is the relationship between the price which Everyman perceive as what the public will pay for a chess book (regardless of length) and the cost of publishing that chess book. I find this curious, but I expect they know their business.

Not sure why Andrew's been allowed so much more space; I'm a bit jealous!
  
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Reply #59 - 02/08/07 at 17:23:10
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Yes, I was also a bit shocked when I saw the page count! At least no-one can say it's not good value for money (in terms of a cost per page ratio)!


I just got my copy and, like others, am greatly impressed!  Thank you, IM Greet.  Smiley

Regarding the page count, my guess is this is the longest opening book Everyman has published.  Can anyone confirm this? 

More importantly, why aren't more Everyman books as long (or close to it) as Play the Ruy Lopez?

For example, Chris Ward's Play the Queen's Gambit (a book that covers the QGA, QGD, Slav and Semi-Slav) is only 175 pages long!   

I realize that a mere page count can not tell us a book's worth; but it can give an indication or two.  And a good 175 page book (like Ward's) would most likely be even better with another 100+ pages or more.   Wink

I hope Play the Ruy Lopez sets a new standard. 
  

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Reply #58 - 02/08/07 at 16:45:19
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Willempie wrote on 02/08/07 at 12:54:59:
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Many thanks for the positive comments! I must say I had no idea that anyone had analysed 4.Nxe5 on this forum, so I too would be interested to see Markovich's analysis if anyone knows where to find it.

It is a good book so I have no problems being positive about it, though I must admit I got a bit of a shock after opening the package. 400 pages Shocked

I tried to find it before I posted but wasnt able to (I was kinda hoping Markovich would read it and post his analysis again Grin). 

Markovich, Mnb and me as well have on occassion had discussions on the merits of 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.0-0 Bc5 versus 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Bc5 4.0-0 Nf6. I remember one of Markovich variations going 4. Nxe5, though now I am starting to wonder if it wasnt 5.Nxe5 and that I just mixed them up after reading your chapter.

PS is there any way of enticing you to write a book from the white side on the Be2 open sicilians? Grin


Yes, I was also a bit shocked when I saw the page count! At least no-one can say it's not good value for money (in terms of a cost per page ratio)!

Curious how the line with 5.Nxe5 has received a lot of attention yet 4.Nxe5 has been virtually ignored.

As for the Be2 Open Sicilians, I'm afraid I don't have too much experience in them so it's unlikely. Still I suppose there could be a market for a book entitled something like: 'A positional Repertoire For White in The Open Sicilians", based on 6.Be2 against almost everything.
A 3.Bb5 (+) Sicilian repertoire book could be a possibility though, some time in the future.
  
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Reply #57 - 02/08/07 at 12:54:59
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Many thanks for the positive comments! I must say I had no idea that anyone had analysed 4.Nxe5 on this forum, so I too would be interested to see Markovich's analysis if anyone knows where to find it.

It is a good book so I have no problems being positive about it, though I must admit I got a bit of a shock after opening the package. 400 pages Shocked

I tried to find it before I posted but wasnt able to (I was kinda hoping Markovich would read it and post his analysis again Grin). 

Markovich, Mnb and me as well have on occassion had discussions on the merits of 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.0-0 Bc5 versus 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Bc5 4.0-0 Nf6. I remember one of Markovich variations going 4. Nxe5, though now I am starting to wonder if it wasnt 5.Nxe5 and that I just mixed them up after reading your chapter.

PS is there any way of enticing you to write a book from the white side on the Be2 open sicilians? Grin
  

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Reply #56 - 02/08/07 at 12:37:16
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Willempie wrote on 02/08/07 at 08:17:20:
I wasnt going to get this book, due to some major disappointments with other Spanish books and never having heard of the author, but some reviews convinced me otherwise. So I got the book tuesday and spent the whole day yesterday going through it. I must say I am impressed indeed. The structure of the book (every chapter has a good intro and excellent summary) and writing are very good. 

The main thing however is how and which variations are covered and this is were the book is better than any Spanish book I have. I would say coverage of the lines (the analysis part) is about equal to Khalifman, though very different in style (more wordy if you will) and certainly much better than other recent books. I also found no holes in the repertoire so far and that is really a compliment as that usually takes me less than an hour and in some cases less than 5 minutes. The lines themselves are fairly decent and consistent. I especially like the recommendations against the Jaenisch and especially his line against the Cordel (for some reason it is called the classical in English books including this one). Iirc Markovich analysed the same line in this forum (4.Nxe5) and came to the same conclusion, namely that it is very good for white. I havent compared the book with his analysis though, but that would be very interesting.



Many thanks for the positive comments! I must say I had no idea that anyone had analysed 4.Nxe5 on this forum, so I too would be interested to see Markovich's analysis if anyone knows where to find it.
  
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Reply #55 - 02/08/07 at 12:20:08
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bob000 wrote on 01/27/07 at 00:37:02:
What are you going to recommend against 5...Bd6? This and 5...Bc5 seem to be the strongest replies if White uses the Worall to avoid the Open.


Sorry for the delay in responding to this one - against 5...Bd6 I suggest a standard scheme of development with c3, d3, 0-0 when following Black's usual plan of 0-0, Re8, h6, Bf8, d5, we reach positions resembling those from the main line of the Worrall (5...b5 6.Bb3 Be7 7.0-0 0-0 8.c3 d5 9.c3). 5...Bc5 is also a decent line, when I suggest something similar but delaying castling for a few moves as this provides a few additional options.
  
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