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Veselin Topalov    
  17 (23.3%)
Viswanatan Anand    
  17 (23.3%)
Peter Svidler    
  0 (0.0%)
Alexander Morozevich    
  3 (4.1%)
Peter Leko    
  7 (9.6%)
Levon Aronian    
  10 (13.7%)
Teimour Radjabov    
  4 (5.5%)
Magnus Carlsen    
  6 (8.2%)
Robert J. Fischer    
  9 (12.3%)




Total votes: 73
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Re: Linares/Morelia 2007
Reply #40 - 03/06/07 at 16:13:39
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I am gonna go ahead and say that Ivanchuk should resign... (move 33 when I write this)
  
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Re: Linares/Morelia 2007
Reply #39 - 03/05/07 at 22:47:40
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@micawber,

Sorry for exaggerating your claims about 73...Kd5.  I thought it seemed a bit unfair to Leko to say he was lucky to draw and maybe overreacted just a tad. Wink  And it does appear that, at the very least, Toplalov could have made him work harder for the draw - and your 73...Kd5 seems to fall solidly into this category.

Looks like there's been quite a bit of action in the Leko-Topalov thread started by John Cox in the Endgames section.  I look forward to reading through it all (including your analysis of 73...Kd5 should it appear there) when I have a bit of time to spare.

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Well at least as a topalov-fan
mean that you are not a die-hard Topalov fan?  If, so I should take back that statement as well...  Grin
  

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Re: Linares/Morelia 2007
Reply #38 - 03/05/07 at 16:08:43
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@Ostrapbender

Well at least as a topalov-fan   Smiley

My mail was partly a reaction on JonHecht's posting (a raving topalov-hater  Wink )

But I promise to post some analysis on 73...Kd5 in the endgame-section.
A thread has allready been opened there by others.
Mind you I didnt state Toppy missed the win, but that he could have set Leko more difficult
problems, especially given Leko's time-trouble.
  
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Re: Linares/Morelia 2007
Reply #37 - 03/05/07 at 03:22:25
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As a matter of fact I think Leko was lucky to draw.
73....Kd5 instead of 73....Rxh2?! would have set him very difficult problems.

Sounds like the ravings of a die-hard Toppy fan!  Grin

Was Leko lucky to draw this rook and pawn ending?

                             Leko-Topalov  
http://www.france-echecs.com/diagramme/imgboard.phpfen=6k1/1R4pp/8/8/1p1r4/7P/6P...
                              after 50...Rd4

I don't think so!

After 51.Kg1 Rf4 52.Kh2 h5 53.Kg3 Rc4 54.Kf3 Kh7 55.Rb6 g5 56.Rb7+ Kg6 57.Rb6+ Kf7 58.g4 Rf4+ 59.Kg3 h4+ 60.Kg2 Rc4 61.Kf3 Ke7 62.Ke3 Kd7 63.Kd2 Kc7 64.Rb5 Kc6 65.Rxg5 b3 66.Rg8 Rc2+ 67.Kd1 Kc7 68.Rg7+ Kb6 69.Rg8 Ka7 70.Rg7+ Ka6 71.Rg8 Kb7 72.Rg7+ Kc6 73.Rg8

                             Leko-Topalov  
http://www.france-echecs.com/diagramme/imgboard.phpfen=6R1/8/2k5/8/6Pp/1p5P/2r5/...
                              after 73.Rg8

Topalov played 73...Rh2 and a draw was agreed about ten moves later.  Would 73...Kd5!! have turned this into a winning position for Black?  I haven't looked at this much, but I'm skeptical.  Do you have any analysis to support this claim?

It's an interesting ending where no doubt Leko had to play accurately to hold the draw.  However, I think a draw seems like the correct result.  But what do I know?  Prove me wrong!  Tongue
  

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Re: Linares/Morelia 2007
Reply #36 - 03/04/07 at 22:09:45
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One of the main reasons I don't predict extremely young players to win top-flight round robin tournaments is the extreme physical duress these tournaments put on the players.  Carlsen may be extremely gifted, but it will take a couple more years before he will have the stamina to win such a major tournament.  (Of course, I'll watch closely to see if I'm wrong.)

My choice to win the tournament has been Anand all along.
  
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Re: Linares/Morelia 2007
Reply #35 - 03/04/07 at 20:46:42
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@JonHecht,

I dont see the fun in wishing a game to end wth a blunder.

As a matter of fact I think Leko was lucky to draw.
73....Kd5 instead of 73....Rxh2?! would have set him very difficult problems.
  
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Re: Linares/Morelia 2007
Reply #34 - 03/04/07 at 18:08:32
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Wow, Anand has won both games against Carlsen.


Edit: I hope that Topalov takes the pawn and gets triple isos, that'd be fun.
  
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Re: Linares/Morelia 2007
Reply #33 - 03/04/07 at 17:50:20
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In Ivanchuk-Svidler, Ivanchuk sacced a bishop for an attack which guaranteed at least a draw but Chukky seems to be still pushing for a win.  Dunno if there is a win there, though.  I think Svidler will manage his 10th (!) draw.

I thought Leko was looking good early on in Leko-Topalov, but the game seems to be slipping away from him.  Been a difficult tournament for Leko.


Anand-Carlsen officially 1-0 (nice game by Anand), so Anand has a full point lead unless Chukky finds a way to pull out a win in his game against Svidler.  Be cool if Ivanchuk could pull within ½ a point, but it doesn't seem very likely.


Ivanchuk-Svidler unofficially ½-½ (perpetual check draw almost certain) so Anand leads by a full point.


Topalov might have winning chances in Leko-Topalov (and Leko doesn't), but who cares?  I kinda hope Leko will hold the draw, and I expect this is the most likely outcome (which I'll read about later).
  

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Re: Linares/Morelia 2007
Reply #32 - 03/04/07 at 17:12:36
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Aronian-Morozevich just drawn, but Anand-Carlsen just got interesting...

                           Anand-Carlsen  
http://www.france-echecs.com/diagramme/imgboard.phpfen=n3r3/q2b1p1k/p2pN1pp/1p1P...
                              after 30.f5

or should this have been the position?

                           Anand-Carlsen  
http://www.france-echecs.com/diagramme/imgboard.phpfen=n1r1b3/q4p1k/p2pN1pp/1p1P...
                              after 30.f5

                                   Undecided
The relayer on the Playchess server can't seem to decide...  Roll Eyes


Apparently the second position (above) is correct, and after 30... gxf5 31.exf5 f6 32.Re1 Nc7 33.Rc1 Bd7 34.Rc3 it looks like Carlsen is in trouble.  I haven't worked out all variations, but it looks like ...fxe6 was never a viable option for Black - in which case Anand's 27.Ne6 may be the game's decisive move.
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Re: Linares/Morelia 2007
Reply #31 - 03/04/07 at 15:27:40
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interesting that Aronian went for a pure Slav against Morozevich today with 1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 (avoiding the albin!?) Nf6 3. c4 c6 4. Nc3, perhaps he doesn't fear 4... dxc4 5. a4 Bf5 6. Ne5/8... Bg6, or even maybe, he wants to play the Geller gambit which he used to play a few years ago when he was a 'mere' 2500  Huh
and even more interestingly, he goes for the Shabalov Semi-Slav which hasn't been seen much at top level of late.
  
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Re: Linares/Morelia 2007
Reply #30 - 03/04/07 at 11:13:26
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Karpov system only seemed to work for the great man !


lol, that was on the mark..
  

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Re: Linares/Morelia 2007
Reply #29 - 03/03/07 at 09:56:11
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That's why all top level GMs should play the Morra gambit and the King's Gambit (they used to). All joking aside, I actually hope that King's Gambit comes back into fashion, that would make for some fun games to watch.
  
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Re: Linares/Morelia 2007
Reply #28 - 03/03/07 at 08:56:36
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Jon,

on the najdorf - Be3 - it looks like Black has got his act together see Van Wely v Shirov, Karjakin v Anand and Svidler v Karjakin (obviously learning) and the Nb3 lines aren't that great./ Look at today's Topalov game v Anand in Nf3 - not so hard to play Black surely ?

On 6 f4 e5 is very comfortable equaliser.

On 6 Bg5 e6 7 f4 Qb6 (Poisoned pawn) and 7. ........ Nbd7 are fine. And whilst we're on the subject of the pp 10 e5 doesn't exactly look like it's holding up.

6 bc4 isn't exactly the strongest although I'd admit to it being a little trappy. the Nbd7 system neutralised one line  but I don't think the Qf3 systems are dangerous for black in any event - see how quickly Kasparov gave the Bc4 line up after his Short match when he had to defend it - although i think from memory he might have played one more game with white with it after this match.

6 g3 is solid but hardly life threatening

6 be2 not very dangerous in the old main line and the modern Kh1 seems to have lost it's favour not that it was that strong anyway- key point black had to take on board was 9,,,,,,,,b5 was rubbish- most lines are fine . Karpov system only seemed to work for the great man !

I don't doubt that the najdorf can lead to a double-edged game but I am just trying to show you how tough life is for 1e4 players . 

I think Vishy might need to think about getting his old 1d4 back into his normal repertoire in view of his lack of bite with white . 

I also think it's significant that Leko has taken this decision as well !

  
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Re: Linares/Morelia 2007
Reply #27 - 03/03/07 at 07:56:26
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Since when is Najdorf an easy time? Well, maybe at top levels...
  
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Re: Linares/Morelia 2007
Reply #26 - 03/03/07 at 07:47:21
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I know that Vishy is in the lead but it seems to me that he doesn't have any significant novelties and that if you are black you might as well just wheel out the Petroff, Marshall or Najdorf and you'll have an easy time.

Or is this just part of the general problem with 1e4 ?
  
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