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Re: Benko book
Reply #86 - 10/05/11 at 17:07:22
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Judging by Carsten Hansen's recent history of reviews, 5/6 stars is just about average for him.
  
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Reply #85 - 10/05/11 at 15:12:56
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Just real quick, I feel the need to say that as I've spent more time with the book, my opinion of it has improved.  I'll revise my initial impressions in the next few days, but I'll say that I would grade it as a solid 'B'.  Not great but good, and better than it seemed initially.
  
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Re: Benko book
Reply #84 - 10/05/11 at 12:11:07
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Check the Hansen column at chesscafe.com : http://www.chesscafe.com/hansen/hansen.htm
He gives 5 stars / 6 .....
  
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Re: Benko book
Reply #83 - 10/03/11 at 04:47:45
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Pasha wrote on 10/02/11 at 17:56:31:
Even the correction is sloppy.  Simply stating that the queen is trapped implies that it cannot be extricated...but it can, via a knight sacrifice, although the compensation is woefully insufficient.


Some people are never satisfied Wink. To me "trapped" already implies that the queen cannot be extricated satisfactorily, but there you go.

Pasha wrote on 10/02/11 at 17:56:31:
As for Jon Tait's inquiries:  I had briefly viewed the book while a friend of mine, whose book it was, was visiting me on holiday.  He took the book back with him, and after having viewed it while I could I decided not to purchase it.  Therefore, I cannot point out the specific areas of questionable editing.


Never mind then.

Pasha wrote on 10/02/11 at 17:56:31:
However, it seems that this thread may have resulted, at the very least, in the "correction" of the aforementioned variation...so it's possible that the electronic version may contain other corrections as well.


Quite possibly so. I guess someone else will have to check.
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Re: Benko book
Reply #82 - 10/02/11 at 17:56:31
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Even the correction is sloppy.  Simply stating that the queen is trapped implies that it cannot be extricated...but it can, via a knight sacrifice, although the compensation is woefully insufficient.

As for Jon Tait's inquiries:  I had briefly viewed the book while a friend of mine, whose book it was, was visiting me on holiday.  He took the book back with him, and after having viewed it while I could I decided not to purchase it.  Therefore, I cannot point out the specific areas of questionable editing.  However, it seems that this thread may have resulted, at the very least, in the "correction" of the aforementioned variation...so it's possible that the electronic version may contain other corrections as well.

Perhaps the book's main selling point revolves around the author's "antidote" for the Epishin variation.  In my opinion, that alone is not worth the price.
  

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Re: Benko book
Reply #81 - 10/02/11 at 12:40:08
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I'm delighted to see that the 9...Nfd7 chapter is now available as a sample ebook download (in ChessBase format)!:

http://www.everymanchess.com/chess/books/Play_the_Benko_Gambit

It covers much of the recent discussion in this thread. With the 5.f3 chapter also available, I hardly need to buy the book now!

Konstriktor wrote on 09/15/11 at 09:28:49:
"2)  On page 14, near the top of the second column, he gives a line that he states gives black compensation for a pawn...but White has a huge, very obvious improvement on move 16, whereby Black is forced to sacrifice a knight for two pawns and insufficient compensation, in order to save his queen."

The line is indeed sloppy. It arises after.
d4 Nf6 Nf3 c5 d5 d6 c4 b5 cxb a6 bxa Nc3 g6 g3 Bg7 Bg2 Nfd7 (instead of Nbd7) 0-0 Nb6 Qc2 N8d7 Rd1 0-0 Bf4 Nc4 Rac1 Qa5 Nd2 and now Ndb6.
White can play Nb3 (Nicolai gives Nxc4 Nxc4) and the queen on a5 is trapped due to the b6 knight and black will have to sacrifice his knight.
He probably meant Nde5 instead of Ndb6 when Nxc4 transposes.

This error seems to have been corrected for the ebook download Shocked. The relevant section now reads:

"...14.Rac1 Qa5 15.Nd2 Nde5 (but not 15...Ndb6? 16.Nb3! Qb4 17.a3 and the queen is trapped) 16.Nxc4 Nxc4..."

Even so, I'm still not hugely excited about Black's chances with 9...Nfd7.
  
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Re: Benko book
Reply #80 - 09/23/11 at 21:29:23
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ErictheRed wrote on 09/22/11 at 17:19:47:
some grammatical mistakes, incorrect diagrams, etc.  Not really a big deal but annoying nonetheless.


Again, can I ask whereabouts? I've not really noticed anything myself. Wrong diagrams are annoying certainly.
  

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Re: Benko book
Reply #79 - 09/23/11 at 17:32:37
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MNb wrote on 08/07/11 at 19:52:37:
Schandorff-Skytte, DANchT-48 2010-11, jan. 2011 looks good for White. Black's play is very slow.


I don't have the book (though I'm planning to buy it) but 14. ... Nde5 look natural with 15.Ne5: Ne5: 16.b3 Qa5 17.Bb2 (17.Bd2?! Bd3!) Bc8! when black either exchanges the bishops or plays the bishop to f5 with good play.
What does Pedersen give in this Bh3-line?
  
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Re: Benko book
Reply #78 - 09/23/11 at 14:47:13
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ruhroh wrote on 09/23/11 at 04:08:46:
The only examples I can think of that succeeded at both were Matthew Sadler's old books.

I have always liked the books of Rolf Schwarz, which you probably don't know as they are a) completely outdated and b) written in German. Schwarz first presents the theory of a line; then immediately some instructive games follow. They are referred to in the theory section. The comments are superficial (hey, these books are 30-50 years old and Schwarz was not that strong a player), but the format is very attractive imo.
  

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Re: Benko book
Reply #77 - 09/23/11 at 04:12:38
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Thanks TN, I appreciate your response, and hope that your thoughts more accurately reflect the quality of the book than my own.  It looks like I'll need to give it a more careful reading, I admit.  Much of my feelings probably come from the coverage of Nakamura's 12.Nxd5 line of 5.f3, where I do think I've discovered improvements for White that Pedersen doesn't mention.  You'll forgive me if I keep them to myself for now, as my chances of using them in an otb game probably went up with this book's publication.
  
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Re: Benko book
Reply #76 - 09/23/11 at 04:08:46
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I bought this as part of learning the opening cold (I'm not even a 1.d4 player). It's not too bad and I'm glad I bought it. There is a lot of useful thematic information in there for a sub master, but the presentation is a little impersonal for my taste. Perhaps its biggest value is line selection - you have to trust him, of course, but it saves a ton of time when you're starting out. 

The problem with the book, IMO, is widespread and hardly restricted to this book. It's not an opening monograph (seeking the truth) and it's not an instructive manual (acquainting and cultivating an understanding of the opening). Rather it tries to play both games, and it ends up being neither fish nor fowl. I just think this approach is asking too much of an author and of his audience. The only examples I can think of that succeeded at both were Matthew Sadler's old books. 

FWIW, I would prefer if authors sought the truth and left instruction to others, or instructed and left the critical theory at home. Great example of the first: Grandmaster Repertoires (Avrukh etc). Great examples of the second: Squeezing the Gambits (Kiril Georgiev, wonderful), The Benko Gambit (Pinski). Actually Pinski does something that seems very logical to me but I've never seen replicated - he spends time considering games with plausible but inaccurate moves and explains how the game develops. This gives you a deeper, more grounded understanding than just absorbing critical theory IMO. Both of these are very worthwhile for a new Benko player btw.
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Re: Benko book
Reply #75 - 09/23/11 at 00:47:26
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ErictheRed wrote on 09/22/11 at 17:19:47:
I bought this book sight-unseen (which I rarely do) because I've been thinking of taking up the Benko against lower rated players (and probably the Tartakower against strong players).  Also, my score against the Benko is not that great, so playing the Black side should help.  I've had it for a couple of days now.

My initial impressions are not very good.  I'm absolutely not an expert on the Benko, so take what I say with a grain of salt.  But here are some of the issues I have with the book:

1. Poor editing: some grammatical mistakes, incorrect diagrams, etc.  Not really a big deal but annoying nonetheless.

2. Lack of explanation: in the Introduction, Pederson mentions some themes, such as Black playing ...e6 or ...f5, etc.  He then shows a diagram where Black has just played the move in question, and that's it!  He doesn't offer any further moves so that you don't really get to see the consequences of the move in action.
  
Also, in the "classical main line" benko with g2-g3, Kf1-g2, and h2-h3, one recommendation is 12...Qb6.  Against h2-h3 and Kf1-g1-h2, he recommends 12...Qa5, with a note that the reader should compare this line with the similar one before, the difference being the placement of White's King and Black's Queen.  And that's it!  He doesn't explain why he prefers sticking the Queen on b6 in one line or a5 in the other.  The reader is left trying to figure things out for themselves; my guess might be that with the King on g2, Black wants to keep the option of playing Qb6-b7 and ...e7-e6 with tactics on the long diaganol.  This lack of explanation is a problem throughout the book.

3. Few original ideas: The only line I know well is the 5.f3 line, as I play it for White, so I can't really judge how many new ideas exist in other parts of the book.  However, I've prepared Nakamura's Knight sacrifice as White (though I've only been able to play it in online games).  I'm far from the most well-prepared player on here, and I was surprised that Pedersen didn't have anything original to add to the line that I hadn't already discovered by looking at online annotations and moving the pieces around myself for an hour.  

4. Does not predict future developments: In the game Lugovoi - Khalifman, 1996 (Classical Main Line with 12.Re1), after 16.a4 Ra7?! Pedersen suggest that Black should have played 16...Bxc3, and offers some analysis.  At the end of the game, Pedersen suggests that White will have to find something besides 16.a4 if he wants an advantage, but he doesn't analyze any of White's other moves!

5. Lack of personal touch: As Pedersen himself plays the Benko, I expected some personal insight into the opening, but it doesn't come through.  By personal touch I mean something along the lines of Chris Ward's old Winning with the Dragon or The Controversial Saemisch King's Indian.  Those books weren't perfect, but I learned a lot from them because I felt like I was getting a GM's personal thoughts on an opening he knows extremely well and has a lot of first hand experience with.  That's missing here.

This is what I noticed just in the first hour or two of looking at the book.  Others might have different opinions but I'm disappointed with the book.  I do like that he included coverage of some non-Benko lines, though I haven't looked at them yet and suspect they suffer from the same drawbacks as the rest of the book.


I have also purchased the book, and my impression is that you have not read the book carefully enough.

1. I agree with you. I'm not sure whether Pedersen, the editors or both are responsible for this. 

2. I think you miss the purpose of the introduction. Pedersen just wants to mention the key ideas for White and Black, so that when you see the consequences of them in the main games, they stick in your memory. Even if the reader likes to have a book structured by themes, he can still play through the main game referenced under each theme in the introduction.

You haven't read the notes to this game properly. After 10.h3 he writes 'While the manoeuvre h2-h3 and Kg1-h2 takes one move longer, on this square the king is a bit more secure; and as we have seen, White often plays h2-h3 in any case in order to prevent ...Ng4, so the tempo is not wasted. Furthermore, Black's plan with ...e7-e6 is less effective without the white king on the long diagonal. On the other hand, the thematic e4-e5 is now more difficult to achieve.' He then gives a paragraph on White's key plans in this variation, followed by a paragraph detailing Black's plans after 10...Nbd7. 

3. First, it is better to be right than original. Second, he suggests a lot of new ideas in the other chapters, especially Chapters 1-2 which cover the theoretically critical options that White can play. Perhaps you know of some improvement over Pedersen's analyses in the 5.f3 chapter that gives White an edge, in which case you have a point. Pedersen states in the game summary that 'far more critical is Nakamura's 12.Nfxd5!, which he used to defeat Vachier Lagrave. However, by playing to keep the sacrificed material, Black can reach an unclear game with accurate defence. Nevertheless, there is still plenty of room for practical tests here.'

4. This is incorrect. Pedersen also covers 16.Nf3 in some depth, even giving Black two options. Also my reply to 3 shows an instance of him predicting future developments. Overall the book seems quite objective. He is willing to admit that certain lines in his repertoire lead to drawish positions or may objectively favour White, but analyses secondary options for readers that want to try and avoid the problematic line.

5. I completely disagree. He analyses three complete games of his own as Black in the book, not to mention his games with White and Black in the notes to the complete games. I understand that you like Ward's style of writing, however Pedersen regularly gives his personal touch in his notes to his games, for instance 'This is indeed something to aim for from a Black perspective and shows that White often doesn't know how to react to an early ...Nd7-b6-c4'. He just presents it in a more formal way than Ward, which is completely fine as well, of course. 

I haven't studied the book closely enough to give a full review myself, but at present I quite like it.  Instinctively I don't entirely trust the 'Topalov Variation' but I need to analyse it, of course. I also have to check his improvements over 'Squeezing the Gambits' and 'GM Repertoire' before reviewing it here.
  

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Re: Benko book
Reply #74 - 09/22/11 at 22:48:15
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I meant if the lack of verbal explanation would be intentional (like NIC Yearbooks), but I suppose I will have to see the book when it arrives. I ordered it because there have been no Benko books for a long while.
  

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Reply #73 - 09/22/11 at 22:30:09
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No, I don't think the lack of explanations are offset by more analysis (if I understand your question).  I think a 2200+ player will understand what's going on because they're a fairly strong player, not because of the book's merits.

The book is fairly thin and not at all dense; many other books put more information on each page.  My basic gripe is that there are very few explanations (nothing approaching the excellent introduction to the Benko section of Squeezing the Gambits or even the introduction to Pinski's book) and the analysis I've looked at doesn't seem that great or very original.

It's no Schiller crapfest, but it could have been much better.  My preliminary verdict is that the quality is similar to a Tim Taylor book.
  
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Reply #72 - 09/22/11 at 22:20:53
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I ordered this book too and am waiting for it to arrive by post. Is the minimal explanation compensated by analysis instead, or are the brief explanations plausible for a 2200+ player to understand?
  

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