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Re: From whites point of view:Nimzo or Queens Indi
Reply #29 - 12/25/07 at 04:48:36
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Dragan Glas wrote on 11/28/07 at 23:19:14:
Greetings,

For myself, being a 1. d4 player from the first game I ever played(!), I've always played 2. Nc3.

I don't see the point in worrying about trying to avoid this or that opening from a opponent - if you do, then the opponent has won the psychological battle. The real point is to know what you're going to do against the major openings.

Against the Nimzo-Indian Defence, I play Rubinstein's 4. e3 - I only wish Hansen's book had been out when I was younger!  Roll Eyes

Against the Benoni, I've played the Taimanov - particularly at the time it was all the rage.

The Exchange against the Grünfeld - à la Kasparov-Karpov matches.

And so on...

My only problem now is in trying to get back into chess, I'll have to update my knowledge of the critical lines from all of these - and other! - openings.

Kindest regards,

Dragan Glas



What is the title of the Nimzo book? Yeah, I am not sure what I want to play either. I like to go into the nimzo, but not sure what line.
  
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Re: From whites point of view:Nimzo or Queens Indi
Reply #28 - 11/29/07 at 20:26:08
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Greetings,

LeeRoth wrote on 11/29/07 at 15:50:47:
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Against the Nimzo-Indian Defence, I play Rubinstein's 4. e3 - I only wish Hansen's book had been out when I was younger!  Roll Eyes


Greetings Dragan Glas, 

Just curious, do you try to put the King's Knight on f3 or e2? 

If you play Nf3, then you have to face the Huebner.  Also, I think Black is fine in the ..b6 lines when the White Knight goes to Nf3. 

I always used to play 5.Nge2, but found it difficult to get an advantage in these two lines:

(a) 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e3 0-0 5.Nge2 d5 6.a3 Be7 7.cxd5 Nxd5

(b) 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e3 c5 5.Nge2 cxd4 6.exd4 0-0 (6..d5 is also challenging for White) when I don't trust the 7.a3 Be7 8.d5 exd5 9.cxd5 Re8 10.d6 pawn sac.

BTW, in line (b) Ruslan's 7.c5!? idea has scored pretty well.  Does anyone play this or know its current theoretical status?

Regards,
LeeRoth


I always play e3/Bd3/Nge2.

Having read Nimzowitsch's opus when I was younger, I didn't fancy getting doubled-pawns. My only concern then was that someone would exchange before I'd played Nge2.

Equally, like any d-pawn player, I wanted to find a answer to the various possibilities for Black.

Apart from my own general opening books, I flicked through specialist books in shops and came to the conclusion that Rubinstein's system was the optimum solution against the Nimzo-Indian.

[In a similar vein, having flicked through various books on the King's Indian, I came to the conclusion that the Sämisch was the "best" answer. This was mainly due to Gallagher's admitting that this was the one against which he had the most trouble. If an acknowledged expert on the KID had trouble with it...!]

I was often astonished at the number of players who'd exchange the bishop for the knight after I'd played Nge2 - with or without being "asked"(!)

I'd generally try and push the e-pawn - perhaps with f3 first to control e4/prevent ...,Ne4. The bishops invariably got a very good game. Smiley

It was actually rare to get the NID played against me - at that time, I normally ran into the QGD, KID, Benoni or Grünfeld, sometimes Benkos or Budapests, ... once I even got a Albin. The Slav and Semi-Slav didn't seem to be played by club and tournament players then.

As I don't play Nge2 without playing Bd3, I can't advise you on the lines you mention.

Kindest regards,

Dragan Glas
  
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Re: From whites point of view:Nimzo or Queens Indi
Reply #27 - 11/29/07 at 17:43:09
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MNb wrote on 11/29/07 at 16:35:52:
If I were sure to get that, I would play 4.e3, 5.Bd3 and 6.Nf3 all the time. No, I fear the Main Line 8.a3 Bxc3 9.bxc3 dxc4 10.Bxc4 Qc7 as I don't see how to activate White's bishops. Therefor I have chosen 4.e3, 5.Bd3 and 6.Nge2 or 6.a3.
4.Qc2 is too slow to my taste, I am a firm adherent of smooth development.



I am only now beginning to understand (and move on to) playing it this way.  You see, I was a 1.e4 WINS! player for about 3 dogmatic decades until only recently being coverted to the faith of d pawn openings.  So, 4.Qc2 was a wonderful shortcut.  Of course, once you hit the pipe, the pipe keeps calling you back, and now that my marriage to Qc2 has produced some offspring (wonky though they be) I just can't seem to walk away...yet. 

But, I am getting ready to.

Any game now.   Wink
  

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Re: From whites point of view:Nimzo or Queens Indi
Reply #26 - 11/29/07 at 16:35:52
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If I were sure to get that, I would play 4.e3, 5.Bd3 and 6.Nf3 all the time. No, I fear the Main Line 8.a3 Bxc3 9.bxc3 dxc4 10.Bxc4 Qc7 as I don't see how to activate White's bishops. Therefor I have chosen 4.e3, 5.Bd3 and 6.Nge2 or 6.a3.
4.Qc2 is too slow to my taste, I am a firm adherent of smooth development.
  

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Re: From whites point of view:Nimzo or Queens Indi
Reply #25 - 11/29/07 at 16:22:45
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lnn2 wrote on 11/29/07 at 16:14:11:
drkodos wrote on 11/29/07 at 16:07:56:
I enjoy Fluffy NID's.


Yes. all his Qc2 lines are nice, except that I don't believe at the moment that White has much against 4...0-0 (not fluffy's fault though).




All too true, I concur.  This past weekend, I just suffered through a 78 move sister-kiss where my ultimately-Bad bishop could not produce anything against his lone wanderlusty knight.

The good thing is that I do not play very many GM's!  Recently, none, in fact!  Thus, many of the regular blokes such as myself continue trying wheel reinventions with all kind of fourth move monkeys that allow me good games, and practical winning chances.

If I toss out 4. e3 occasionally, mostly in faster time controls, I always seem to end up in the exact same middlegame position that tranposes from Panov Attacks & QGD's.


  

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Re: From whites point of view:Nimzo or Queens Indi
Reply #24 - 11/29/07 at 16:14:11
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drkodos wrote on 11/29/07 at 16:07:56:
I enjoy Fluffy NID's.


Yes. all his Qc2 lines are nice, except that I don't believe at the moment that White has much against 4...0-0 (not fluffy's fault though).

The top GMs are going for 9. Ne2/ 10. Qc2 (see Emms latest updates), but suspect this is not a long term solution  Undecided
  
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Re: From whites point of view:Nimzo or Queens Indi
Reply #23 - 11/29/07 at 16:07:56
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I enjoy Fluffy NID's.
  

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Re: From whites point of view:Nimzo or Queens Indi
Reply #22 - 11/29/07 at 15:50:47
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Against the Nimzo-Indian Defence, I play Rubinstein's 4. e3 - I only wish Hansen's book had been out when I was younger!  Roll Eyes


Greetings Dragan Glas, 

Just curious, do you try to put the King's Knight on f3 or e2? 

If you play Nf3, then you have to face the Huebner.  Also, I think Black is fine in the ..b6 lines when the White Knight goes to Nf3. 

I always used to play 5.Nge2, but found it difficult to get an advantage in these two lines:

(a) 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e3 0-0 5.Nge2 d5 6.a3 Be7 7.cxd5 Nxd5

(b) 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e3 c5 5.Nge2 cxd4 6.exd4 0-0 (6..d5 is also challenging for White) when I don't trust the 7.a3 Be7 8.d5 exd5 9.cxd5 Re8 10.d6 pawn sac.

BTW, in line (b) Ruslan's 7.c5!? idea has scored pretty well.  Does anyone play this or know its current theoretical status?

Regards,
LeeRoth

  
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Re: From whites point of view:Nimzo or Queens Indi
Reply #21 - 11/29/07 at 10:57:02
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MNb wrote on 11/29/07 at 01:29:42:
I have a nice attacking game going on in the NID-Rubinstein beginning with 4.e3, with a rook sac involved. I intend to post it as soon as it's finished. Can I be sure of your attention?

All my opponents have avoided the Nimzo, most even at move 1 Wink

Personally I like the nimzo as black, but I dont see any reason to avoid it as white. There are quite some lines where you keep the initiative and to a big extent you can decide the course of play. Ie 4.Qc2 avoids many of the closed lines (think Hubner), while those with a relaxed attitude (with the excpetion of Mnb Grin) will choose the rubinstein.
  

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Re: From whites point of view:Nimzo or Queens Indi
Reply #20 - 11/29/07 at 09:16:44
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Greetins,

Yes, I would!

[I did try replying shotly after you yesterday, but the page wouldn't load - network issues somewhere along the line.]

Kindest regards,

Dragan Glas
  
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Re: From whites point of view:Nimzo or Queens Indi
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I have a nice attacking game going on in the NID-Rubinstein beginning with 4.e3, with a rook sac involved. I intend to post it as soon as it's finished. Can I be sure of your attention?
  

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Re: From whites point of view:Nimzo or Queens Indi
Reply #18 - 11/28/07 at 23:19:14
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Greetings,

For myself, being a 1. d4 player from the first game I ever played(!), I've always played 2. Nc3.

I don't see the point in worrying about trying to avoid this or that opening from a opponent - if you do, then the opponent has won the psychological battle. The real point is to know what you're going to do against the major openings.

Against the Nimzo-Indian Defence, I play Rubinstein's 4. e3 - I only wish Hansen's book had been out when I was younger!  Roll Eyes

Against the Benoni, I've played the Taimanov - particularly at the time it was all the rage.

The Exchange against the Grünfeld - à la Kasparov-Karpov matches.

And so on...

My only problem now is in trying to get back into chess, I'll have to update my knowledge of the critical lines from all of these - and other! - openings.

Kindest regards,

Dragan Glas
  
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Re: From whites point of view:Nimzo or Queens Indi
Reply #17 - 11/28/07 at 10:21:26
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Markovich wrote on 09/26/07 at 12:23:10:
But as for the original post, I can't answer its philosophical and psychological questions.  But when I want to play a Catalan I play 3.g3; when I want something more aggressive I play 3.Nc3 intending 3...Bb4 4.f3.  While the position after 4...d5 5.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 c5 6.cxd5 Nxd5 7.dxc5 is considered equal, clearly it's dynamic and thus conducive to  your win if you play well.  In general I like the two bishops.

I suppose that means I should also consider 4.Qc2; maybe I will.

Unfortunately, for me, the Markovich9 is terra incognita.  I devote a lot of time to chess, but not all my time!


Hmmm....interesting comment Markovich. I always thought the Catalan more difficult to understand than the QID, at least in the 4. g3 Ba6 line there is the 5. Qc2 pawn sac (fairly easy to learn), while the 5. b3 line also leads to standard tabiyas.

I've observed a rather interesting phenomenon over the years (for OTB games at least),
am not sure if you notice the same: the Catalan works well for players either at a high professional level (>2400) or a lower amateur level (<2000), but not for those somewhere in-between (say 2200-2300). Perhaps you might be an exception?

I suspect the reason is that many amateur players don't have anything against the Catalan so they easily lose without knowing why, but at the same time, the Catalan demands a high level of positional understanding if one wants to make any headway against a well-prepared opponent who has a pet anti-Catalan antidote  (which many 2200s and FMs certainly have).
  
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Re: From whites point of view:Nimzo or Queens Indi
Reply #16 - 09/28/07 at 04:33:09
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Markovich wrote on 09/27/07 at 19:12:33:
HgMan wrote on 09/26/07 at 22:27:13:
Markovich wrote on 09/26/07 at 12:23:10:
thibdb13 wrote on 09/26/07 at 05:43:44:
Smyslov_Fan wrote on 09/26/07 at 02:32:09:
Oops, after 2..e6 I guess I don't have to worry about the Budapest.  Embarrassed

It might be a delayed Budapest!!


Yeah, the Zilbermints Budapest.


Can't be: all three moves involve pawns and pieces that point toward the middle of the board, nevermind the loss of tempo...


Zilbermints has such a euphonious name, it's really a shame that it doesn't adorn some deep subsystem of the KID, or method of fighting back against the Russian System of the Gruenfeld. 


And what about 1. d4-Nf6 2.c4-g6 3.Nc3-e5?  Cheesy
  

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Re: From whites point of view:Nimzo or Queens Indi
Reply #15 - 09/27/07 at 19:12:33
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HgMan wrote on 09/26/07 at 22:27:13:
Markovich wrote on 09/26/07 at 12:23:10:
thibdb13 wrote on 09/26/07 at 05:43:44:
Smyslov_Fan wrote on 09/26/07 at 02:32:09:
Oops, after 2..e6 I guess I don't have to worry about the Budapest.  Embarrassed

It might be a delayed Budapest!!


Yeah, the Zilbermints Budapest.


Can't be: all three moves involve pawns and pieces that point toward the middle of the board, nevermind the loss of tempo...


Zilbermints has such a euphonious name, it's really a shame that it doesn't adorn some deep subsystem of the KID, or method of fighting back against the Russian System of the Gruenfeld.
  

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