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Re: Some ...c5 line
Reply #13 - 11/18/07 at 00:18:26
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But Palliser recommended the exd5 line in his book
  
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Re: Some ...c5 line
Reply #12 - 11/17/07 at 13:40:14
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Bibs wrote on 11/17/07 at 13:11:30:
Yes, Tiviakov has a peculiar way of speaking.  Would make a fair Dalek though if he needed a p/t job.
But - his analysis is very impressive which is the essence. Explains unusually well for a top player particularly on c3 dvd.  Learnt plenty from thatdvd. Mostly about queenless middle games eg Tiv-Stellwagen.

Inn2,
Thanks for the info regarding Dautov NIC article. Could you perhaps say which yearbook? I'd like to have a look. Thanks in advance if you can find.

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Ah faulty memory me. Actually Dautov's article (yearbook 77) was on 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 g6 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. e4 d6 6. Nf3 0-0 7. Bd3 e6 8. 0-0 ed5 9. ed5 Bg4 10. h3 Bxf3 11. Qxf3 Nbd7 12. Qd1 Nh5!  (idea 13. g4 Bxc3 14. bxc3 Ng7 15. f4 f5). But the discussion therein is relevant for the classical KID anyway, as the plans in this pawn structure are quite one-dimensional.
  
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Re: Some ...c5 line
Reply #11 - 11/17/07 at 13:11:30
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Yes, Tiviakov has a peculiar way of speaking.  Would make a fair Dalek though if he needed a p/t job.
But - his analysis is very impressive which is the essence. Explains unusually well for a top player particularly on c3 dvd.  Learnt plenty from thatdvd. Mostly about queenless middle games eg Tiv-Stellwagen.

Inn2,
Thanks for the info regarding Dautov NIC article. Could you perhaps say which yearbook? I'd like to have a look. Thanks in advance if you can find.

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Re: Some ...c5 line
Reply #10 - 11/17/07 at 11:56:15
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I've never played 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be2 c5 7. d5 e6 8. 0-0 ed5 9. ed5 for White. Not long ago Dautov even wrote a NIC yearbook article claiming 9... Nh5! equalises for Black.  I suppose Whites plan is to go b2-b4 or f4-f5 at some point, but I'm really skeptical if a resourceful defender can't hold the position (see Topalov-Radjabov: although that game started with 5. Bd3 it ended up with a similar pawn structure in a few more moves, and a Black victory after White overpressed). 

I certainly prefer 9. cd5 over 9. ed5, as i think White has an edge in *any* variation of the Benoni, by virtue of having an extra centre pawn, but that's purely a personal opinion. In most games so far I've played 7. 0-0 with fair results.

Recently I watched Tiviakov's Maroczy DVD, and yes while his analysis is impressive his delivery is horrendous. He speaks like a robot. Does he really talk like that in real life?!?  Shocked
  
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Re: Some ...c5 line
Reply #9 - 11/17/07 at 09:29:06
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Kylemesiter,

Thankyou for your response. This is very helpful. Ordered the Schevvy / KID book.

May well splash out on the latter too.

Thanks again for your advice


All,

Tiv's Maroczy DVD is impressive. His c3 Sicilian one is too. Perhaps not an immediately charismatic man, but I want to learn about chess, not go clubbing with him. If I want entertainment in a vid, I will rewatch Police Academy for the nth time or something.
As a very strong player he knows his stuff and explains very well. When a 2700 has something to say, I think it can be beneficial to listen. 

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Re: Some ...c5 line
Reply #8 - 11/17/07 at 06:11:16
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Bibs,

Oh yes, I like that QG book too.

I was referring to the Active Repertoire book, which is like a remake of the book he did with Parma, with a different repertoire (Scheveningen and of course KID -- i.e. not a choice of defenses as in the Parma book).  As for the older KID book, I can't really say, but from just looking at it briefly years ago, I was less taken with it.

I'm also very fond of "Dynamic Pawn Play in Chess" (which came out about a decade after Active Repertoire).  I would think you might want to put that at the top of your Marovic list; it also has a lot of Sicilian and KID stuff.
  
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Re: Some ...c5 line
Reply #7 - 11/17/07 at 04:24:04
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Kylemeister,

Am also a fan of marovic's work. Have his QG book. Best on the market (still). Also his old rep book with Parma. 
Which book are you referring to? 
Play the King's Indian Defence (1983)

or

An Active Repertoire for Black (1992)

Is the former also a repertoire book, an intro, or an overview?

Your views on these? Get both? Thanks in advance. Am considering amazon-ing

Cheers

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Re: Some ...c5 line
Reply #6 - 11/17/07 at 02:01:34
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For the Benoni line, I checked up on it and found that White plays d5 exd5, exd5. 

However, I do not really know what to play in these lines. I mean, in the Modern Benoni, the knight can move to c4, and then play for a e5 break. However, I dont know what to do here. I dont want to play cxd5 because I dont know how to play the Be2 variation of the Benoni. 

Can you give me some ideas or thematic moves, Andrew Brett?
  
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Re: Some ...c5 line
Reply #5 - 11/16/07 at 17:51:05
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This was advocated for Black in a repertoire book about 15 years ago by (Croatian GM) Marovic, but with all due respect to His Drazenness (he's one of my favorite chess authors), some of the stuff after 7. 0-0 Nc6 8. d5 Na5 did look uncomfortable for Black.  I seem to recall that ECO used to assess that line as clearly better for White, but now calls it (perhaps more plausibly) slightly better.

Maybe after 7. 0-0 Black's objectively best is to buy Tiviakov's DVD, then play 7...cd  Smiley.  There are other decent moves though, perhaps primarily 7...Bg4.
  
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Re: Some ...c5 line
Reply #4 - 11/16/07 at 11:38:22
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Davies briefly discusses this in his ...d6 'universal' DVD.



  
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Re: Some ...c5 line
Reply #3 - 11/16/07 at 08:17:01
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Well 7 d5 is just a benoni and not a great one but certainly playable for black.
  
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Re: Some ...c5 line
Reply #2 - 11/16/07 at 07:23:15
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Is this the best line?
  
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Re: Some ...c5 line
Reply #1 - 11/05/07 at 20:40:58
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Just 7.0-0 when ...cxd4 is a Maroczy Bind and ...Nc6 8.d5 is uncomfortable for Black.
  

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Some ...c5 line
11/04/07 at 06:24:32
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After 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be2: 

The mainline is 6...e5, but what happens after 6...c5?
  
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