I received the book a couple of days ago, and only had the time to look at some of the sections. It contains several interesting ideas, and I think it is a really fine book. However, since I am not a strong player, I would have preferred to have more advice at certain points. For example, in the section with the Ruy exchange with Be7: 

After the criticial 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Bxc6 dxc6 5. Bxc6 dxc6 5. 0-0 Be7 6. Nxe5 Qd4 7. Qh5 g6 8. Nf3 Qxe4 9. Qa5 Qxc2 10. Re1 Qd3, only the move 11. Qxc7 is analysed in detail. I have spent quite some time on this, but I am still not sure what Black should do if, instead of taking the pawn, white simply develops with 11. Nc3.

I haven't seen any discussion on this forum of this books coverage of the line 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6 4 Ba4 Nf6 5 0-0 Bc5. What do you think of this books coverage of this line?

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well buy the book and see for yourself!

Excuse me to be off topic, but, do we have a discussion of Comas book? I became mildly interested and would like to know other people's views.

Thx in advance

GMTonyKosten wrote on 04/07/08 at 13:28:44:


Thank you GM Tony Kosten for answering my questions! Bibs, It's ok to ask questions like this on the forum! Stop giving me a hard time for writing posts like this!

9.d4 Nd8 10.d5! c6 11.Bd3 cxd5 12.exd5 and now if 12...Bg4 we enter the reccomentation of Davies in "Play 1.e4 e5!", Fabrego analyses: 13.h3 Bh5 14.g4 Bh5 15.Re1! (now it is time for Re1!) b6 16.Nd4! white is better.

I just discovered that there are some new things in the line 8...Ne7 (instead of the 8...Qe7) because the "main move" 9.Nh4 Bg4! is a new idea which is strong! GM Kritz gives as best 9.Ne2 Ng6 10.c3 Ba5 11.Nh4 but i don't think that white here can claim any advantage...

As for 5..Nxb5 line i agree with Emms who claims an advantage (a small one ofcourse!). The position looks like a Philidor, white having the space advantage. In this case the two bishops have no advantage.

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Nd4 5. O-O c6

I just wonder what white has exactly after 
5...Nxb5 6.Nxb5,c6 7.Nc3,d6

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Whats the problem here? I would play as planned: 9...Nd8 followed by Ne6 and c6 - probably you have to play Re1 anyway at some move to bring back the bishop to f1 (then follow with g2, Bg2,...)

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10 f4 and 8 0-0-0

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Both moves, but mostly the 'ambitious' 10...d5.

There's a couple of other possibilities against the Petroff, e.g. 3 Nxe5 d6 4 Nc4 which is fairly unexplored, or the sharp but dubious Cochrane Gambit (4 Nxf7).  Boden-Kieseritzky is indeed a good suggestion- for instance it's probably comparable in soundness (and dangerousness) to the 8 Qg3 pawn sacrifice in the Centre Game.

4.Bd2 is no lamer in principle than the Scotch.  White simply argues that his Pe4 gives him a space advantage and that he can cope with Black's easy development.

The third option looks ok in principle, I would say.

1) It is visually pleasing
2) Statistics are in white favour
3) Fritz11 sees compensation (although at this stage, the evals are pathetic, but still, three pointers to compensation...)

Fernando Semprun wrote on 03/30/08 at 16:10:44:

Funny, a former King's Gambiteer wanting to switch to 4.Ng5 in the Two Knights with so many nice gambits at Black's disposal. I wouldn't touch it even if I was sure it's better for White: I'm the defender of the Black Side .

I purchased Dangerous weapons, and all is OK vs 3...Bc5, but against 3...Nf6, my intended 4.Ng5 is looking bleak after 4...d5 5.ed5 Na5 (I thought I could choose between (after 6.Bb5 c6 7.dc6 bc6

a) 8.Be2 and
b) 8.Qf3

but both are looking pretty bad.

So first three chapters need something else as to how to face 3...Nf6!

MNb wrote on 03/11/08 at 01:45:49:



oh! Basically I love 4.c3 dc3 5.0-0. But may be is only because I crushed Bob Northage ages ago in 21 moves with it...

micawber, thanks very much for that highly informative discussion.

IM Andrew Greet wrote on 03/05/08 at 22:28:45:



I am sure that this is an excellent book, and I plan to buy it.  But am I mistaken that this too is a transposition to the Hanstein?  In what way does White profit from 3.Bc4?

Fernando Semprun wrote on 03/10/08 at 11:54:12:


How does your friend answer 3...Bb4+ ?

Yes, but it's much easier to play for White and much worse than N:e4

I have a friend that plays 1.e4 e5 2.d4 ed4 3.Nf3

That has proven useful against the known boring petrovites. After 3...Nc6 one can choose the Scotch or even 4.Bc4 (I defeated Bob Northage with it in 1981 but lost to GM Izeta in 1992.)

Actually, Izeta had lost a KG against me in 1989, so he chose 1...Nc6 and we transposed here....

This also takes care of the dreaded Berlin endgames...

(Bob Northage must have played 1...Nc6 too, since I was a KG fan up in the previous century... )

In the chapter on Calming the Romantics, after 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Bc5 4 c3 Nf6 5 d4 exd4 6 cxd4 Bb4+ 7 Bd2 Nxe4 8 Bxb4 Nxb4 9 Bxf7 + Kxf7 10 Qb3, Does Gleen Flear recommend 10...d5, 10...Kf8, or does he analyze both moves? Also, how does he bring the Dangerous Weapons idea to the Evan's Gambit?

Also, what is the chapter on the Max Lange Gambit, 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Bc5 4 0-0 Nf6 5 d4 Bxd4, like? Do they think white can get an edge in this line?

IM Christoph Wisnewski wrote on 03/07/08 at 17:42:07:


What book????

Is there any inside info on whether and when this will also be available as an e-book? Everyman's new Ebooks are great (save me both space on the bookshelf and weight when I travel to tournaments!) but I feel a bit cheated when I buy a book, then 1 month later the Ebook (which I would prefer) is out...

Btw. with less than 50 pages on the Ruy Lopez, this could almost have been a pure "Open Games except 3.Bb5" volume. Maybe there is room left in the market for a dedicated Dangerous Weapons Ruy volume in a year or two?

Still 8...Nge7 and 8...Nce7 are better ....

TopNotch, there seems to be something on the Evans Gambit in chapter 3:

063 3 Calming the Romantics 

(1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Bc5 4 c3 Nf6 5 d4 exd4 6 cxd4 Bb4+ 7 Bd2 Nxe4 and 4 b4 Bxb4 5 c3 Ba5) 

@IM Andrew Greet

I must admit that I agree with MNb
1.e4,e5 2.f4,exf4 3.Bc4,Nc6 4.d4,Nf6 5.Nf3,g5?! 6.Nd5doensnt convince me either.

The problem is, you'll need a rather large bribe to convince an arbiter 
that Nb1-d5 is a legal move. (maybe 6.d5!?)


by the way after
1.e4,e5 2.f4,exf4 3.Bc4,Nc6 4.d4,Nf6 5.Nf3
5...Nxe4 seems a reasonable response.


Instead I think we should be looking at a variation Johansson has recommended
1.e4,e5 2.f4,exf4 3.Bc4,Nc6 4.d4,Nf6 5.Bd5!?
This has been discussed in this forum without reaching a definite conclusion.

Finally 
1.e4,e5 2.f4,exf4 3.Bc4,Nc6 4.Nf3,g5 5.d4 is possible 
but then 5...Bg7 rather than Nf6 should be played 
and we will transpose in mainstream 3.Nf3,g5 theory

As it seems the book contains enough fun-variations,
to get myself a copy.

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf3 3.Bc4
IM Andrew Greet wrote on 03/04/08 at 17:27:20:

This does not convince me: 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 Bg7 5.d4 d6 6.Nc3 Nc6 7.Nd5 h6 8.c3 Bg7 (iso of 8...Nf6) is a sideline of the Hanstein Gambit.

PS 8...Nce7 and 8...Nge7 are obvious improvements to 8...Bg7?! and also to 8...Nf6.

Markovich wrote on 03/04/08 at 12:54:54:


Glenn acknowledges 3...Nc6 as a tricky response, citing the variation 4.d4?! Nf6 5.e5 d5! as one example of how things can go wrong for White. Instead he recommends 5.Nf3 g5 6.Nd5!? d6 7.d4 h6 8.c3 Nf6 9.h4, followed by a couple of game references in which White emerged with an advantage.

As for L'Oiseau, Glenn makes a reasonable case for Black and offers plenty of good advice, although I can't help but remark that he doesn't address one critical line after 4.Nxd4 exd4 5.0-0 Bc5 6.d3 c6 7.Ba4 d6 and now 8.Bb3!. Ironically this was recommended both by myself and our fellow co-author Mr Emms in our respective books on the Lopez! To be fair, I think his main goal was to provide a coherent introduction to the ideas behind 3...Nd4 rather than to give a water-tight repertoire.

And I'll be most interested to see how they propose to make "L'Oiseau" work ...

The book is now on sale - I saw it at the bookstall at the 4NCL this past weekend. Looks good! 

@ Toppy: in the Deferred Steinitz with 5 0-0, what do you think is Leko's intention after (A) 5 ...Bd7 6 d4 Nf6, (B) 5 ...Nf6, and (C) 5 ...Ne7?

TopNotch wrote on 02/24/08 at 18:59:43:


My humblest apologies to Fluffy.

In the game cited above he did indeed recover nicely, but the result was not a draw as previously stated, but rather he went on to win. Along the way Fluffy sacrificed his Queen and capped off a brilliant comeback by delivering a coup de grace in fitting Kings Indian style.

Here is the game in its entirety. Enjoy:

[Event "8th North American FIDE Invitational"]
[Site "Chicago"]
[Date "2008.02.19"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Kaufman, Raymond"]
[Black "Fluffy"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteTitle "FM"]
[BlackTitle "IM"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 4.Nc3 Bg7 5.e4 d6 6.Nf3 O-O 7.Be2 e5 8.O-O Nc6 9.d5 Ne7 10.Kh1 Nd7 11.g4 f5 12.gxf5 gxf5 13.exf5 Nf6 14.Rg1 Nxf5 15.Bd3 Kh8 16.Ng5 c6 17.Nce4 cxd5 18.Nxf6 Qxf6 19.cxd5 Bd7 20.Qh5 Qg6 21.Qh3 Rae8 22.Ne6 Rxe6 23.Rxg6 Rxg6 24.Qh5 Bh6 25.Bxh6 Rxh6 26.Qg5 Rg8 27.Qd2 Rhg6 28.Rc1 R6g7 29.Qc3 Nd4 30.f4 Bg4 31.Be4 Ne2 32.Qd2 Bf3 0-1

Toppy

[quote]Steinitz Deferred. See some analysis of Davies here a few years back, Mamedyarov games, plus plenty of Keres games. [/quote]

That's what I thought! But I recall Paddy (I think it was), two or three years back now, remarking that an English GM (interestingly, he didn't say who!) had told him there wouldn't be a market for a book on this 'cos White had at least one sure safe way to advantage and so the line wasn't considered interesting. Of course this was before the Mamedyarov games. Any further enlightenment on this, Paddy (or anyone)?

Ametanoitos wrote on 02/26/08 at 14:44:05:


Ohh yes, that idea of micawber is quite nice, valuable and more importantly sound, but how do you get to employ these ideas so quickly. I doubt I will get to spring this gem anytime soon. Of course, if the book sells well, and I'm boldly predicting Best Seller, I may get the chance sooner than expected.  

I have an academic interest in the Evans Gambit, but as a Two Knights Defence player myself it is unlikely that my analysis will serve any practical use.

Lately I have become so enamoured with 1...e5 that I'm contemplating giving my Dragon a much needed rest for the next 8 to 10 months. Still the omni present Ruy Lopez always looms large and as I have little interest in pursuing draws with either the Petroff or the Marshall, means that there is still much to think about.

By the way does anyone know if either or both of those Gajewski variations against the Ruy are still viable?

Toppy  

The 8..d5! idea of micawber gave me a nice win today! Also 7.f3? d5! is strong. Can anyone suggest somrthing for  white here?

is this book comming out in march 08 now look at everyman site i think its march 08. i am going to get this book when it comes out..

is this book out yet in the usa can i order it at amazon.ocm on everyman it said febuary 08.so when  does it come out?

@ IM Andrew Greet,
Thx, for your detailed reply.
I will not ask you to reveal any secret weapons after 
6.Bc4,0-0 7.Bd2,Ng4 8.Qe2,Nd4 

I was aware of the game Varavin-Tjurin 2001 you mentioned,
but I consider that black went a bit wrong as early as move 11.
But I wonder if you have considered that black has another
method to equalize:
8.Qe2, d5!?TN an interesting pawn sac
9.Nxd5              
(9.cxd5, Nd4 10.Qd3?!, Bc5! -+; 9.Bxd5, Bc5! 10.Bxc6,Bxf2+ -+)
9........, Bc5!
10.Be3,
(10.Nh3,Nd4 -+)
10......., Nxe3
11.Nxe3
(10.fxe3, Qh4+ =+)
11......., Qd4 =    (black picks up the e-pawn)
                 

Don't get too excited, I don't have a full table of contents for this book, but what I do have are three more dangerous weapons that will feature in the book:

1) The rehabilitated Max Lange Attack

2)  The Crunching Koltanoski Attack

And for Black:

3) Violating the Vienna, which seemed to have  been snatched right off these forum threads. Here is the recommended Dangerous Weapon......drumb roll please.....:

1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 considered ?! or ? in many sources due to 4.Qg4! but now comes the shocker 4...Nd4, intending 5.Qxg7 Qf6!? with a largely untested position where Black has more comp for the pawn than is first apparent. 

Please note that the catchy titles of these Dangerous Weapons are my own invention and are not the chapter headings in the book, unless I get plagiarised of course. 

This Dangerous Weapons series is reminiscent very much Jeroen Bosch's S.O.S books which both have the same objective. Ironically by publishing these lines you are in effect defeating the whole concept you are trying to promote, that is of a Secret Surprise Dangerous Weapon. Nevertheless the lines I have mentioned has certainly whet my appetite and I expect the book to sell extremely well.

While on the subject of Secret Weapons, I was following one of Fluffy's  tournament games recently which will probably feature in twic update number 694 or 695, which went as follows:

  1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be2 e5 7.0-0 Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 9.Kh1 Nd7 10.g4!!
 
I almost fell out of my chair when I saw this, the move never even crossed my mind in this exact position, but once it is played you realise it is quite logical and dangerous. Of course I immediately fired up Chessbase and lo and behold its nothing new, but was a favorite weapon of Miles and Larsen. And here it was I thought I was familiar with all lines of the KID, but somehow this idea escaped my attention. To Fluffy's credit he recovered nicely from what surely seemed to have been a unpleasant shock for him as well, and after an exciting struggle the game was eventually drawn.   

Back to the topic of this thread, I wonder what other malevolent lines and ideas await readers of the eagerly anticipated Dangerous Weapons 1.e4 e5.

Toppy  

Postscript: Someone asked me a question yesterday on ICC while I was watching the Shirov vs Radjabov game, Linares 2008. I missed the question at the time, but the answer is yes. 

Maybe 6.Bc4 0-0 7.f3!?

IM Andrew Greet wrote on 02/17/08 at 23:07:33:


What is this 7.e5 line being referred to?

Toppy

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Touche! 

The critical position I am thinking about is: 
1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Qxd4 Nc6 4.Qe3 Nf6 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Bd2 O-O 7.O-O-O Re8 8.Qg3 Rxe4 9.a3 (as played in Greet-Georgiev):



Black is a pawn up - on the other hand he has to develop the queenside and find more harmony for his pieces. White will start an attack on blacks king - therefore black will have to act fast. My conclusion would be: this position is dynamically balanced, but white has to prove his pawn sac.

Black either has to move the bishop (taking on c3 looks like giving white a "dangerous weapon") or the rook (to g4 attacking the queen). All these moves are given in NCO (p. 286, line 4) with at least a level game for black.

If you found an antidote against all these moves I will be deeply impressed, buy the book and start playing the center game... 

Just for the sake of being repetitive,
does anyone know (guess) what material will be included
in DW?

A. Geet has already posted that there will 3 chapters on the Center Gambit (which by the way, is good news to me).
However, does it contain Spanish lines (for White as well as Black)?
and what about Sctich and Ponziani (for White?)