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Re: "Play the Semi-Slav" will be out very so
Reply #75 - 01/12/09 at 08:29:48
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I think you are right. Following your recommendation, 32.Bf4+ Kc6 33.Ng5 b1Q 34.Rxb1 Bxb1 35.Nxf7 Rh5

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This position is really tricky for both sides.

In my opinion, it is better to play 28.Re1! with the plan to eliminate the strong bishop!
1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 e6 5.Bg5 dxc4 6.e4 b5 7.e5 h6 8.Bh4 g5 9.Nxg5 hxg5 10.Bxg5 Nbd7 11.exf6 Bb7 12.g3 c5 13.d5 Qb6 14.Bg2 O-O-O 15.O-O b4 16.Rb1 Qa6 17.dxe6 Bxg2 18.e7 Bb7? 19.exd8=Q+ Kxd8 20.Ne2 Bf3 21.Qc2! Ne5 22.h4 c3 23.Rbd1+ Kc8 24.Rde1 Qe6 25.Nf4 Ba8 26.Re3 Nf3+ 27.Rxf3 Qc6 28.Re1 Qxf3 29.Re8+ Kc7 30.Rxa8 Qxa8 31.bxc3

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A: 31...c4 32.cxb4 Qc6 33.Qf5 c3 34.Nd5+ Kb7 35.Ne7 Bxe7 36.fxe7 c2 37.Qxf7 Re8 (37...c1=Q+ 38.Bxc1 Qxc1+ 39.Kh2 Qc7 40.e8=Q +-) 38.Kh2 Qd7 39.Qf3+ Qc6 40.Qe3 a6 41.a3 winning

B: 31...a5 32.cxb4 axb4 33.Qc4 +-

So, a better try maybe is 25...Bb7. Here we have the same idea as white: 26.Re3 Nf3+ 27.Rxf3 Qc6 28.Rd1 Qxf3 29.Qf5+ Kb8 30.Rd8+ Kc7 31.Rd7 Kb6 32.Rxb7 Qxb7 33.bxc3 bxc3 34.Nd5+ Kb5 35.Qd3+ Kc6 36.Ne7+ Bxe7 37.fxe7, with again the same kind of play as in the previous variations. The strong e7-pawn, covered by the bishop, is really annoying for black.

Funny enough, Richard Palliser in NIC Yearbook 89 also noticed the Kirpikov - Yarkov corr-game. He claims white is winning, although he does not mention any improvements for black on move 21.
But it seems 18...Bb7 is really busted now.
  
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Re: "Play the Semi-Slav" will be out very so
Reply #74 - 01/05/09 at 12:45:20
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Trolletje wrote on 10/01/08 at 10:12:14:
First of all, I want to thank David Vigorito and the Quality Chess-team for this very nice book. The quality of the analysis is very high and the layout is superb.

Last I was doing some research in the 16.Rb1-line in the Botwinnik. On page 67-68 David analyses the interesting 16.Rb1 Qa6 17.dxe6 Bxg2 18.e7 Bb7 in some depth. After 19.exd8Q+ Kxd8 20.Ne2 Bf3 he gives an analysis of Stellwagen: 21.Qc2 Qe6 22.Nf4 Qg4, reaching the following position:

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Here Stellwagen only mentions 23.Qd2 Rg8 24.Qe3 Rxg5 25.h3 Rh5 26.Rbd1 Bc6 27.Rfe1 Rxh3 28.Nxh3 Qxh3 29.Qe8+ Kc7 30.Rxd7+ Qxd7 31.Qxf8 Qd5 32.Re7+ Kb6 33.Qb8+ Bb7 34.Qc7+ Ka6 35.Kf1 Qd3+ 36.Re2 Bf3 37.Qc8+ =, where David adds 37...Kb6 38Qb6 Bb7 where Black could try to win.

Both Stellwagen and Vigorito seemed to have overlooked 23.Qa4, played in the correspondence game Kirpikov - Yarkov, corr 2004. In that game there followed: 23...Qxg5 24.Rbd1 Qg4 25.Rfe1 1-0

As an try to improve Rybka gives 21...Ne5 22.h4 c3 (22...Bd5 23.f3 Nxf3 24.Rxf3 Bxf3 25.Rd1+ Kc7 26.Bf4+ Kb6 27.Rd8 with a dangerous attack) 23.Rbd1+ Kc8 24.Rde1 Bd5 25.Nd4 Nd3 26.Re8+ Kd7 27.Rd8, with a clear White plus.

"The ball is on Blacks court again..."


It looks like you're right!, although I think you mean 27.Re3 instead of
27.Rd8 which loses immediately.
Maybe black can try 24..Qe6 instead of Bd5, then after the forced 25.Nf4 black can try to hold with Ba8.
For instance 26.Re3 Nf3+ 27.Rxf3 Qc6 28.Qf5+ Kc7 29.Nh3 cxb2 30.Kg2 Qe4 31.Qxe4 Bxe4 32.Bf4+ (only move) which is not so clear as Rybka "thinks"  Wink
It wouldn't surprise me if black is able to hold.
But true, it's all not very nice for black at all...
  
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Reply #73 - 10/27/08 at 11:46:09
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Haven't had a reply for a month now..  Undecided
Everyone agrees White is winning in the 16.Rb1 Qa6 17.dxe6 Bxg2 18.e7 Bb7-line?
  
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Re: "Play the Semi-Slav" will be out very so
Reply #72 - 10/01/08 at 10:12:14
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First of all, I want to thank David Vigorito and the Quality Chess-team for this very nice book. The quality of the analysis is very high and the layout is superb.

Last I was doing some research in the 16.Rb1-line in the Botwinnik. On page 67-68 David analyses the interesting 16.Rb1 Qa6 17.dxe6 Bxg2 18.e7 Bb7 in some depth. After 19.exd8Q+ Kxd8 20.Ne2 Bf3 he gives an analysis of Stellwagen: 21.Qc2 Qe6 22.Nf4 Qg4, reaching the following position:

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Here Stellwagen only mentions 23.Qd2 Rg8 24.Qe3 Rxg5 25.h3 Rh5 26.Rbd1 Bc6 27.Rfe1 Rxh3 28.Nxh3 Qxh3 29.Qe8+ Kc7 30.Rxd7+ Qxd7 31.Qxf8 Qd5 32.Re7+ Kb6 33.Qb8+ Bb7 34.Qc7+ Ka6 35.Kf1 Qd3+ 36.Re2 Bf3 37.Qc8+ =, where David adds 37...Kb6 38Qb6 Bb7 where Black could try to win.

Both Stellwagen and Vigorito seemed to have overlooked 23.Qa4, played in the correspondence game Kirpikov - Yarkov, corr 2004. In that game there followed: 23...Qxg5 24.Rbd1 Qg4 25.Rfe1 1-0

As an try to improve Rybka gives 21...Ne5 22.h4 c3 (22...Bd5 23.f3 Nxf3 24.Rxf3 Bxf3 25.Rd1+ Kc7 26.Bf4+ Kb6 27.Rd8 with a dangerous attack) 23.Rbd1+ Kc8 24.Rde1 Bd5 25.Nd4 Nd3 26.Re8+ Kd7 27.Rd8, with a clear White plus.

"The ball is on Blacks court again..."
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Re: "Play the Semi-Slav" will be out very so
Reply #71 - 05/30/08 at 19:40:12
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Now time has been in favour for David Vigorito!

First he was a bit unlucky with the developments in the Anti-Moscow-line (12.Nf7!?) but now the stars of the book are shining in the recent update of GM Sherbakov: Mikhalevski - Karim is just following Vigoritos main suggestion against 16.Rb1 in the Botvinnik.

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Re: "Play the Semi-Slav" will be out very soon
Reply #70 - 04/21/08 at 13:59:06
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I love this book but just noticed an obvious omission in the moscow gambit 1d4 d5 2 c4 c6 3 nf3 nf6 4nc4 e6 5 Bg5 h6 6 Bh4 dc , neither 7 e3 or a4 are covered. Don't get me wrong I'd only expect a sidenote on these or any other alternatives to 7 e4. Kaufman's opening repertoire in black and white covers this briefly. Any suggestions anyone, although I am sure most moves are just going to be good for Black !
  
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Re: "Play the Semi-Slav" will be out very so
Reply #69 - 04/21/08 at 09:17:40
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I have received Vigorito Semi-Slav for a week now. Here are my initial impressions.

I waited for this book with some anticipation, as I play these lines on both sides. However, I was also slightly wary as I felt that Vigorito’s earlier 4. Qc2 nimzo book was underwhelming, it was merely a summary (albeit well-researched) of existing Nimzo theory at that time (one could possibly cobble together his entire book with annotations from NIC, Megabase and Chesspub). Although it was a conscientious effort, I felt it added nothing special to theory.

Vigorito’s Semi-Slav is a more creative effort, partly because of the nature of the opening (the Semi-Slav contains more unchartered territory than the 4. Qc2 nimzo). It is a somewhat unusual Black repertoire book in that Vigorito extensively covers many Black alternative tries which he then dismisses and explains why, especially in the Botvinnik chapter. I have not seen a repertoire book doing this to such great extent. White players will therefore find this book helpful.

Vigorito’s recommendations are generally on the solid side, with Black trying to equalize first (by going for well-traversed lines leading to piece exchanges), before playing for the win: see especially his 7… Bb4 against the Shabalov-Shirov, 6… Bf5 against Slav Exchange, and his Slow Slav 4. e3 Bf5 lines. In this aspect, Vigorito's Semi-Slav reminds me of Ziegler's French Repertoire Chessbase DVD.

Somewhat unfortunately, I walk away from the book with the feeling that Vigorito is a greater connoisseur of the Botvinnik than the Moscow. This is unfortunate, as the latter is probably the sounder try!
I also don’t agree with a few of Vigorito’s evaluations (for example, I believe Black is no worse in Dominguez’ “Cuban variation” 12… Qc7 than the Botvinnik main lines). But on the whole, Vigorito’s analysis is accurate and very objective.

So, surely a book worth picking up, and one of the better opening books i've seen.
  
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Reply #68 - 04/12/08 at 08:30:58
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I agree wholeheartedly with SF. Regardless of the merits of this book, there does seem to be too much shilling by authors and their friends on this forum.

Fluffy's huffy response to FS's issues was ridiculously intemperate and backed up by nonsensical assertions..."this analysis goes 10 moves further..."; never mind the quality, feel the weight.  And then ED, a man exquisitely sensitised to a bad review, pops up to tell us that this discussion has got out of hand, we all appreciate FS's remarks, we all like the book, and can we leave it at that(?!) ; is this the royal we, or a royal attempt to stifle any debate.

A forum exists to facilitate an exchange of ideas; it doesn't exist for the peons to genuflect to the authors. Any attempts to shut down such a debate would be extremely regrettable.
  

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Re: "Play the Semi-Slav" will be out very so
Reply #67 - 04/08/08 at 12:44:49
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I received my copy of this book from Amazon last evening, and had an hour or two to go through it.  To me it seems like an excellent work, full of deep analysis and insight.  It is well up to the Quality Chess standard, which is quite high.  I would compare Quality Chess to Chess Stars for depth and technical rigor.

Just looking at a few of the lines with which I am familiar because I play them from the white side (and this includes some of the deep lines of the Botvinnik), the ultimate evaluations seem to be entirely honest.  Where Black has problems, Vigorito is frank about it.  This doesn't surprise me, since his work on the Nimzo was marked by the same. 

I was impressed by the book's extensive treatment of the Exchange Slav, which I have played with fair success in correspondence chess.  It was quite refreshing, given the dismissiveness of many other recent Slav works toward this system, to see it taken so seriously here.  The book confirms my view that the Milov variation (Qb3 instead of Qa4 in the main line) may well be the most dangerous for Black; and also that Exchange Slav, while perhaps not the ultimate theoretical test of the Slav, is fighting system and one that White can play with reasonable hope of taking the full point.

It appears that theory has advanced in the brief time since this book went to press, but that hardly is a criticism.  Since when, in such volatile systems as the Botvinnik and Anti-Moscow, did owning a book absolve anyone from having to stay up with theory?

I respect Fernando Semprun's opinions and I would encourge him to continue to post here in vigorous criticism of anything in recently released chess books that he doesn't like -- or does like, for that matter.  But I would certainly encourage anyone who has an interest in this defense or in the white side of 1.d4 to get ahold of this book.
  

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Reply #66 - 04/07/08 at 15:37:36
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The Botvinnik is very dangeorus for black but after (quick) reading this exellent book and set up some games against my computer, blacks position looks quite playable (note that I also think the Dragon is playable but thats an other story) I havent looked at Moscow variation yet, but that could be a backup to avoid some forced draw variations when facing weaker opponents....


  
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Reply #65 - 04/05/08 at 10:02:10
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Inn2 in the game that you quoted if you read Fluffy's book you'll see that Black made a mistake ! The remedy and main line is all contained there ! So buy the book- it's great and excellent value!

Just a question for Fluffy on one omission - just read a very nice game played by Grivas  v Braun at Wijk aan Zee this year with 4 nbd2 - does he have a recommendation/suggestion !?
  
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Reply #64 - 04/05/08 at 06:46:56
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I hadn't read this thread since early March, and boy was I in for a surprise!

Fernando Semprun made some critical remarks about IM Vigorito's book and got slammed by several authors.  He then became very defensive, which is fully understandable but not wise.  

I am still interested in reading the book for myself and the chess content of this thread will definitely inform my reading.

I hope that if I find a book less than perfect I won't get crucified for saying so here.

I know that chess authors have an especially difficult time getting published and there is only a small market for any single opening book.  This makes any negative review so much more damaging, even if it is written here rather than in NIC.  But Fernando expressed an honest opinion and was attacked for being disappointed by a book.  

I hope that the Chess Pub isn't just an advertising ploy for chess authors to ply their trade.  I read the comments here because there are so many interesting opinions here.  I feel that this thread has tried to squash one negative review.

Again, I look forward to reading Play the Semi-Slav, and may even buy it if it's a major addendum to my library.  Thanks to Fernando Semprun for sharing your opinions, and of course to fluffy for writing the book in the first place!
  
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Reply #63 - 04/04/08 at 18:24:10
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(IV-I plagal cadence in the background): AMEN.
  
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Reply #62 - 04/04/08 at 14:00:40
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It seems this thread has gotten a little out of hand. We all appreciate Fernando's comments and analysis (the reference to the 17.Re1!? omission is particularly helpful), and we also like David's book, albeit some chapters more than others - is anyone really surprised that the soundness of the Botvinnik system is a controversial issue? I'd love to play it with black on a regular basis, but it's hard to move past the fact that black's position is hanging by a thread in a number of lines.

Thankfully (1) the Moscow is an excellent alternative and (2) there is no simple path to an advantage for White against the Botvinnik, so it remains playable and dangerous for both sides - just playing the odds, a well-prepared player on the black side is likely to pick up an awful lot of points in over-the-board play just through being better prepared!

Even if we question the objective soundness of the Botvinnik system, David's book remains an excellent guide to it (from both sides) and to the Semi-Slav generally.

Can we leave it at that?

  
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Re: "Play the Semi-Slav" will be out very soon
Reply #61 - 04/04/08 at 12:04:13
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Fernando Semprun wrote on 04/04/08 at 11:22:34:
Oh, well, the main organiser, Miguel Perez Royo. Assumed you must know him, he is behind the whole thing and in charge of the Federacion Aragonesa


No, no-one of that name here: I don't know the name either.

Fernando Semprun wrote on 04/04/08 at 11:22:34:
I seem to recall you live in Aragon (we had a short conversation prior to a round)


Good God. I'm sure I ought to remember that, but at the moment, I don't! Thankyou for talking to me anyway and if you come this year I'll try and talk again! Yes, I live in Aragón - in Huesca.
  
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