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Re: Anyone familiar with this line?
Reply #6 - 02/26/08 at 03:12:17
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I like (A) and (C). As for (B), I've actually had it in a tournament game before, arising via a different move order. Objectively, Black is up a pawn, but personally, I don't like defending BDG-type positions. Now I prefer 5.Bg5 e3.
  

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Re: Anyone familiar with this line?
Reply #5 - 02/24/08 at 21:04:18
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As Black, I prefer 4...dxe4!
A) 5.fxe Bb4 6.Bd3? Nxe4
B) 5.Bg5 exf3 6.Nxf3 Nbd7
C) 5.Be3 Bb4 (Kmoch variation)
  

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Re: Anyone familiar with this line?
Reply #4 - 02/23/08 at 03:57:00
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Thanks for the interesting games. In the last 2 games, it looked as if Black started playing recklessly after being surprised by f3, in an effort to refute it. I'm leaning towards kylemeister's suggestions of 4...c5 (which was what I played vs fritz) and 4...de. Still in the process of analyzing these with Rybka and feeding it my own ideas for checking...  for now, it seems as if 4.f3 isn't quite as bad as it looks.
  

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Re: Anyone familiar with this line?
Reply #3 - 02/22/08 at 21:46:28
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Maybe fritz was transposing into this GM encounter?

Benjamin,J (2620) - Fedorowicz,J (2545) [A45]
USA-ch USA (6), 1993

1.d4 Nf6 2.f3 e6 3.e4 d5 4.Nc3 Bb4 5.e5 Nfd7 6.f4 c5 7.a3 Bxc3+ 8.bxc3 Qa5 9.Bd2 Qa4 10.Nf3 b6 11.Bd3 Ba6 12.0-0 ½-½


Anyway, it's of course reminiscent of the Fantasy variation in the CK or 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Sf6 3.f3 d5 4.Nc3 e6 when it's White's turn!

e.g.

Miroshnichenko,E (2510) - Firman,N (2505) [B07]
Alushta-100, Alushta UKR, 2002

1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.f3 d5 4.Nc3 e6 5.Be3 dxe4 6.fxe4 Bb4 7.Qd3 Nc6 8.Nf3 Bd7 9.Be2 Qe7 10.0-0 0-0-0 11.a3 Bxc3 12.bxc3 Ng4 13.Bd2 e5 14.Rab1 b6 15.h3 Nf6 16.d5 Na5 17.Qa6+ 1-0



But even if 4.f3 vs the FR is hardly the best version of this set-up, it does seem to have some potential as a surprise weapon!  Shocked

Grafl,F (2257) - Mittendorf,F (2239) [C11]
Hessen-ch Frankfurt (10), 21.04.2000

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 c5 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bxf6 Qxf6 7.exd5 cxd4 8.Bb5+ Bd7 9.Bxd7+ Nxd7 10.Ne4 Qe5 11.dxe6 Qxe6 12.Ne2 Bb4+ 13.Kf1 f5 14.N4g3 0-0-0 15.Qxd4 Bc5 16.Nf4 Qc6 17.Qc4 Rhe8 18.Nd3 b5 19.Qc3 Re3 20.b4 Rxf3+ 21.gxf3 Qxf3+ 22.Ke1 Re8+ 23.Kd2 Qe3+ 24.Kd1 f4 25.Re1 1-0


Grafl,F (2257) - Mueller,T (2193) [C11]
Hessen-ch Frankfurt (5), 16.04.2000

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 c5 5.Bg5 Nc6 6.exd5 Nxd4 7.Nge2 e5 8.Ne4 Be7 9.d6 Qa5+ 10.Bd2 Qa4 11.Nxd4 Nxe4 12.Bb5+ 1-0

  
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Re: Anyone familiar with this line?
Reply #2 - 02/22/08 at 20:30:36
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I maximized DF10's "variety of play" to stop it from playing the same line against me game after game... as a result, it got a little too creative  Smiley
  

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Re: Anyone familiar with this line?
Reply #1 - 02/22/08 at 20:21:37
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Was its opening book turned off?  Surely 4...c5 should lead to a nice game of chess for Black.  (Or maybe even the Caro-Kann-ish 4...de 5. fe e5 ...)
  
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C11: Anyone familiar with this line?
02/22/08 at 20:02:10
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Deep Fritz 10 played this against me:

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3!?

Couldn't find much of this in the DF10 database... and while I doubt many  humans would be playing this against me, I'm curious to know how it should be handled. Thanks for any feedback! (pardon my ignorance if this turns out to be some well-known line)

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