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Re: Benko - Correct move order...!?
Reply #7 - 03/26/08 at 20:07:50
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alumbrado wrote on 03/06/08 at 17:16:13:


Seems like a lot of bishop moves to me just to force White into e2-e4 - [........] so maybe it really is that important that White weakens d3/f3.


One Black problem in the Fianchetto-Variation is that his white-squared bishop is not an active piece, but rather stands in the way (it blocks the a- or b-file on a6/b5; takes away a good square for the knight on c4) an has nothing to do on the a6-f1 diagonal with the white pawn still on e2.
So where should it go? on b7 again the b-file is blocked a.s.o.

After e2-e4 the Ba6 suddenly has a job: controlling the d3-square for a knight to arrive via e5.

That's the reason why Black wants White to play e2-e4: He wants his bishop to live;)
  

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Re: Benko - Correct move order...!?
Reply #6 - 03/08/08 at 16:53:02
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This probably will lead to the old-fashioned form of the Benkö, as played by Bronstein and Lundin around 1950. The difference is 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 b5 4.cxb5 a6 5.bxa6 d6 6.Nc3 Bxa6 7.e4 Bxf1, which is not possible after 3...d6 4.Nc3 g6 5.e4 b5 etcetera.
Moreover Black has to find something after 3...d6 4.Nc3 g6 5.g3 Bg7 6.Bg2 0-0 7.Nf3, which does not immediately transpose to a Modern Benoni.

This old-fashioned form still might be an idea if the fianchetto is that strong against the Benkö.
  

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Re: Benko - Correct move order...!?
Reply #5 - 03/08/08 at 08:46:01
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Black seems to get quite a bit of counterplay if e4 is played. Thus, why not play in normal Benoni style and only play b5 after e4 has been played? This would also avoid topical Rb1 variations with g3. Wouldn't this be more accurate?

For example: 

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 d6 4. Nc3 g6 5. e4 b5

Sorry if this is clear to some of you, but it's not to me. I am not too familiar with the move order intricacies of the Benko.

  
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Re: Benko - Correct move order...!?
Reply #4 - 03/06/08 at 17:16:13
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LeeRoth wrote on 03/01/08 at 22:29:26:
Black's idea behind ..Nbd7 is that if White now continues with 10.0-0, Black can drum up play with the immediate 10..Nb6.  In particular, note that after 10..Nb6, 11.b3? fails to 11..Nfxd5.  Lev Alburt used to claim that he came up with this nuance in the 1970s, and for a long while 10.0-0 Nb6! was considered to be fine for Black.

Then Epishin came up with 10.Rb1 and, with this little side-step, the tide turned.  The point is that with the Rook on b1, 10..Nb6 can be met by 11.b3, with a good position for White.  The ..Nfxd5 tactic is no longer on, and the Nb6 turns out to be in the way of the Black Queen, which would like to go to a5.  

So, after 10.Rb1, Black instead usually just plays 10..0-0 and after 11.0-0 Qa5 12.Bd2, we have made it to one of the main lines of the opening.  

Hope this helps.


What are people's views on Pinski's recommendation here?: 9... Nbd7 10.Rb1 Nb6 11.b3 Bc8!?  It always looked a bit artificial to me - can Black really get away with lines such as 12.Nd2('?!' - Pinski) 12...Bf5 13.e4 Bc8 ('with standard compensation' - Pinski)??

Seems like a lot of bishop moves to me just to force White into e2-e4 - but I'm not a Benkö devotee (I always found my b-pawn was pretty important when I played the Modern Benoni so I was reluctant to let my oppnent gobble it on move 4 Undecided ) so maybe it really is that important that White weakens d3/f3.

I'd love to hear from any strong Benkö players out there ...
  

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Re: Benko - Correct move order...!?
Reply #3 - 03/02/08 at 00:27:45
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Greetings,

drkodos/LeeRoth
Thank you both for the information!

Personally, I don't usually play this line - I prefer the cb followed by b6 declined line. Sometimes, I don't even bother capturing the b-pawn.

I think I once played the cb and ba line - many years ago - with Rb1, but didn't like the play which Black seemed to get on the half-open files.

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Re: Benko - Correct move order...!?
Reply #2 - 03/01/08 at 22:29:26
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Yes, it's considered more accurate to play ..Nbd7 before ..0-0.  Take, for example, this position: 

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Black's idea behind ..Nbd7 is that if White now continues with 10.0-0, Black can drum up play with the immediate 10..Nb6.  In particular, note that after 10..Nb6, 11.b3? fails to 11..Nfxd5.  Lev Alburt used to claim that he came up with this nuance in the 1970s, and for a long while 10.0-0 Nb6! was considered to be fine for Black.

Then Epishin came up with 10.Rb1 and, with this little side-step, the tide turned.  The point is that with the Rook on b1, 10..Nb6 can be met by 11.b3, with a good position for White.  The ..Nfxd5 tactic is no longer on, and the Nb6 turns out to be in the way of the Black Queen, which would like to go to a5.  

So, after 10.Rb1, Black instead usually just plays 10..0-0 and after 11.0-0 Qa5 12.Bd2, we have made it to one of the main lines of the opening.  

Hope this helps.
  
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Re: Benko - Correct move order...!?
Reply #1 - 03/01/08 at 21:19:05
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If black wishes to counter white's possible 10.Rb1 it is desirable to get the queenside fully developed.  White has no direct threat against the black king.  Often black wants to play 10. ...Nb6 in this system (once, and perhaps, still a critical response) to start beating up on the extended white centre.

If black is going to play Qa5 lines v. 10.Rb1 then getting the Knight going is not as critical, I believe.
  

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Benko - Correct move order...!?
03/01/08 at 19:26:12
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Greetings,

It's been some time since I've seen/played the Benko.

Whilst perusing the Irish Chess Union's site, I came across the following edition of the on-line daily chess magazine, Chess Today.

CT-2668

In his annotations to his win against GM Gawain Jones in the sixth round of the recent Bunratty Masters, GM Alex Baburin gives the following move-sequence...

1. d4, Nf6; 2. c4, c5; 3. d5, b5; 4. cb, a6; 5. ba, g6; 6. Nc3, Bxa6; 7. g3, d6; 8. Bg2, Bg7; 9. Nf3, Nbd7

... at which point he comments...

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This is considered to be the most accurate move order.


Do those here agree and, whether you do or not, what are the consequences for either side should they digress (move-order-wise) at each point in this sequence?

Kindest regards,

Dragan Glas
  
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