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Re: English problem
Reply #23 - 03/14/08 at 08:18:05
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I have a mildly other take than a lot of the other posters (but not much different). If you like the English you should play it and if it makes you more comfortable, then reading one book on the opening might be good, particularly if it discusses important strategic/middle game motives. E.g. Kosten's 1.c4 2.g3 3.Bg2 repertoire book is great, I used to play that for a few years and one did get a nice mixed bag of different positions (both tactical and strategical, although of course you'd get more tactical positions with 1.e4 e5). I do certainly believe that what openings you play is fairly irrelevant up to a pretty high level, it certainly only matters to a very limited extent at my level (2200): the really bad things get punished (1.d4 d5 2.c4 Nf6 doesn't fare too well and I wouldn't venture 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f6, either), but wondering whether the King's Indian is in trouble due to the b4-variation, or whether 1.c4 c5 is too drawish is relatively pointless from the perspective of success in practical (non-professional) over-the-board play. Minor differences in objective value are by far outweighted by how comfortable we are with the resulting positions and whether we know a little bit about the opening and middle game. Additionally sooner or later tactics, strategy and anything else that exists in chess usually happens in games, whatever opening one plays (okay, okay, 1.f4 e5 2.g4 will keep most things from happening, I know...). Of course certainly there is some truth in that 1.e4 leads to more tactical positons early on more often and it certainly wouldn't hurt to play it, but I see it as less important than a lot of other things.

So in addition to the advice to concentrate on the non-opening aspects, I'd also say that I am less sure it is important for beginners to play 1.e4 e5, I think one should just pick whatever opening one enjoys/likes/knows a little bit about, read/watch/listen to/be given a introduction to the opening and then play it for as long as possible so that one can concentrate on the other aspects of chess. "For as long as possible" really could mean until you become professional, although I'll admit that I e.g. replaced my old Scandinavian repetoire against 1.e4 with the Sicilian 3 years ago, because I had some theoretical difficulties (the results were good though, overall) and more importantly in order to play new positions and learn something from them.
  
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Re: English problem
Reply #22 - 03/14/08 at 02:58:59
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'English problem'? 
Three that I can see:

1) Binge drinking

2) Being disturbingly near to France

3) Poor weather
  
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Re: English problem
Reply #21 - 03/14/08 at 01:08:57
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thank you, before i get the books, i'll continue to study tactics
  

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Re: English problem
Reply #20 - 03/11/08 at 06:03:47
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Kobe you are on the right track now.  Doubled pawns recommendations are decent, and Zatara's book recommendations are fine too.

But I think the best book for you right now would be this:

A First Book of Morphy by Frisco Del Rosario. It is full of tactical slugfests that all (almost) spawn from e4 openings, especially 1.e4 e5.  

Look you can order this on Amazon and there is an option to get it as a kindle (online) book, that's what I did.  You can read it online instantly right now!  It's kind of like pdf but within Amazon's own format.  I ordered the real book and they asked me if I wanted to get the online version for like 3 bucks more so I did that.  Not sure how much the online version costs by itself.  

Here's the two plugs on the back of the book:

"Paul Morphy was one of the greatest chessplayers of all time, and his games are still worthy of study.  In this book, the author analyzes many wonderful Morphy games and crystallizes them into a set of principles for the opening, middlegame, and endgame."  --GM Patrick Wolff

"For the first years of play, any player must learn, rediscover, and understand the basic ideas and fundamentals of chess that are clearly illustrated by the masters.  This book highlights some of the most important principles any chessplayer should know, and provides games illustrating each idea in its raw form." --GM Tal Shaked

Good luck.
  
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Re: English problem
Reply #19 - 03/11/08 at 05:53:25
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Hi,
It depends on the opening.  I would buy Sam collins book An attacking repertoire for white and Starting out 1.e4 by Neil McDonald.  you use some of each in your repertoire.  For example use what McDonald Recommends vs French but not what he recommends vs Siclians, use Collins's book for siclians.   
hope this helps some,
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Re: English problem
Reply #18 - 03/11/08 at 00:33:41
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DoubledPawns wrote on 03/05/08 at 04:13:28:
At 1200 level, you don't need to know much theory at all, so I wouldn't be frightened to play 1.e4 because you are worried that your opponent knows it better; at your level, there is a good chance that your opponent will not know what to do early on anyway.

Here are some easy to play variations which should help you "start out" with 1.e4:

Against the Sicilian, 2.c3 (the Alapin): 2...Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 4.d4 cd4 5.Nf3 or 2...d5 3.ed5 Qd5 4.d4, which leads to open positions, but can be played either tactically or positionally (I think this would suit you). 

Against 1...e5, the Scotch (2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 ed4 4.Nd4) is easy to learn and play, while you can meet the Petroff with 5.Nc3 (2...Nf6 3.Ne5 d6 4.Nf3 Ne4 5.Nc3 Nc3 6.dc3 followed by Be3/Bf4, Qd2, 0-0-0 with fairly simple plans of attacking on the kingside for White).

The French can be countered by 2.Nf3 d5 3.Nc3, with the idea that in the main line 3...Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.d4 c5 6.dc5 Nc6 7.Bf4 Bc5 8.Bd3, White has active piece play in all variations. Note that 8...0-0? loses to 9.Bh7!.

Against the Caro-Kann, I would recommend the Panov-Botvinnik Attack (1...c6 2.d4 d5 3.ed5 cd5 4.c4), which often leads to IQPs, which you would be used to obtaining if you play the Alapin Sicilian as White.

The Pirc can be met by 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.f3!? (with the idea of c4; this variation is usually more strategic than tactical), while the Modern (1...g6 2.d4 Bg7) can be met by 3.c4. You would need to have a system against the King's Indian in that case, but if you play the Samisch (3.c4 d6 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.f3 0-0 6.Be3), you should be fine. 

Other moves are not a serious problem; the Alekhine can be met by 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.c4 Nb6 5.ed6, which is again fairly easy to play for White. Finally, 1...Nc6 should be met by 2.Nf3, since 2...e5 will transpose back to 1...e5. 

I don't think you would need to know any more theory than this to play 1.e4 at your level. Hopefully this repertoire helps!


thanks, i'm currently working with these openings Smiley i'm just wonding though, what plans should i be looking for? eg. important squares to control and files to take advantage of, places to pressure etc.
  

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Re: English problem
Reply #17 - 03/08/08 at 00:45:12
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maybe u missread me, i am playing e4 and spening time working on tactics
  

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Re: English problem
Reply #16 - 03/07/08 at 03:05:24
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kobesarmy wrote on 03/06/08 at 00:29:50:
thanks to all, and suprisingly, all of the people my level study are openings, they try and memorize from Nuns openings book so they do know their openings well, what they lack are positional playing and tactics. that's why i fear to play e4 in a tournament game as they can win the opening sometimes. i'll try to study those reponses, because i'v already spent 3 monthes on the english and my current repetoire, i'm going to play many pick-up games and fun games to improve at e4, at tournaments i know the english well so i'll play that and with my open game knowlege i should do ok with the tactics, i'll continue to study the endgame. i'll switch to e4 in tournament games when i'm sure i know it well enough


Know thyself. Your opponents, especially when they try to memorize, do know not their openings well. They know some moves by heart. I am just strong enough to realize how little I know, especially about the openings I have studied and played.
I repeat my prediction. Go on with the English without experience in the Open Games and you will be beaten again and again by players who better understand piece play. You're 1200; it is possible to improve quickly, but not this way. I know what I am writing about. When I was 1200 yet I played the Leningrad without any clue. It was a lost year.
I don't want to be rude. But your questions in the French and the Acc. Dragon indeed show a lack of basic understanding. Work on basic tactics and on elementary positional play (I used Euwe 25 years ago). Then you will understand better as well what ideas different openings have. In the meantime play 1.e4 or the Colle (preparing e4 or c4) as these openings will allow you to bring this elementary knowledge in practice. The English will not.
  

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Re: English problem
Reply #15 - 03/07/08 at 02:14:16
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i'm spending more time on tactics, and i think the game i posted shows some improvements due to my tactics, 30 minutes a day for a month now
  

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Re: English problem
Reply #14 - 03/06/08 at 01:43:58
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Hi all,
i think the 3 amendments are better for a person just starting out...  Though I do like doubled pawns rep!!  Thanks guys for helping the starter make a start.

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Reply #13 - 03/06/08 at 01:31:58
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here is a game i just played on FICS with the english

1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Nf3 d6 4.g3 g6 5.Bg2 Bg7 6.0-0 c6 7.b4 Be6 8.d3 Nbd7 9.Bg5 0-0 10.Rb1 d5 11.cxd5 cxd5 12.Qd2 Qb6 13.a3 Ng4 14.Rbc1 Rac8 15.h3 f6 16.hxg4 fxg5 17.Nxg5 Bh6 18.Nxd5 Bxd5 19.Bxd5+ 1-0

mate is forced in a few moves as where ever the king moves, white will win the bishop and after the queen enters the fray, mate is forced.

i was white, now i'm going to begin studying 1.e4 openings, i enjoyed the game as i was on the attack and had some nice tactical moves, anyways, that's how i play the english
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Reply #12 - 03/06/08 at 00:29:50
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thanks to all, and suprisingly, all of the people my level study are openings, they try and memorize from Nuns openings book so they do know their openings well, what they lack are positional playing and tactics. that's why i fear to play e4 in a tournament game as they can win the opening sometimes. i'll try to study those reponses, because i'v already spent 3 monthes on the english and my current repetoire, i'm going to play many pick-up games and fun games to improve at e4, at tournaments i know the english well so i'll play that and with my open game knowlege i should do ok with the tactics, i'll continue to study the endgame. i'll switch to e4 in tournament games when i'm sure i know it well enough
  

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Re: English problem
Reply #11 - 03/05/08 at 15:10:50
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Three amendments: against the French I recommend the Exchange 3.exd5 exd5 4.c4. Easy to learn, still has punch and also contains the important theme of the isolated queen's pawn.
The Panov-Botvinnik is highly theoretical. Instead I recommend the Exchange 3.exd5 cxd5 4.Bd3. Play often sees White attacking on the kingside, Black on the queenside.
The Sämisch 3.f3 against the Pirc is also highly theoretical. Just play 3.Nc3, 4.Be3, 5.Qd2. After this you will decide about your kingside.
These are easier starters then DP's suggestions.
  

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Re: English problem
Reply #10 - 03/05/08 at 07:48:55
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Zatara wrote on 03/05/08 at 05:00:28:
Hi ALl,
Doubled pawns cool repertoire!!  I bet it is playable to about 2400...  Where do you recommend getting material on the French system you recommend.  I have "A Startling chess Opening Repertoire"  and it uses that system.  Until what elo can your French suggestion be played to?  Thanks for your time doubled pawns.  Good luck to Kobesarmy!!
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Thank you for the compliment!

If I remember correctly, there is a Yearbook 82 survey by Victor Moskalenko on this system. I think Ian Nepomniachtchi plays this system successfully with White...

I personally think that this opening could be played up to the 2300 level without studying the opening theory in detail, but after then it would probably be necessary to switch to a more theoretical variation (though it could still be retained as a surprise weapon). 

  

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Re: English problem
Reply #9 - 03/05/08 at 05:00:28
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Hi ALl,
Doubled pawns cool repertoire!!  I bet it is playable to about 2400...  Where do you recommend getting material on the French system you recommend.  I have "A Startling chess Opening Repertoire"  and it uses that system.  Until what elo can your French suggestion be played to?  Thanks for your time doubled pawns.  Good luck to Kobesarmy!!
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