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Re: English 1 c4 Nc6!? -- the options
Reply #3 - 03/11/08 at 11:49:07
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Thanks to both for these great suggestions! As you may have intuited, I'm having to get my head down wirth work (grrr!) and other chores, but will come back as soon as I've managed to take a further look at these lines!
  
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Reply #2 - 03/10/08 at 15:43:30
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Dear Michael,

There has been some discussion of this in the thread "Playing the UD against the English" which may be of some interest to you, though I dare say it raises more questions than it provides answers.

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Re: English 1 c4 Nc6!? -- the options
Reply #1 - 03/08/08 at 20:29:39
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Michael,
I don't know much about 1.c4 Nc6 2.Nc3 d6, but I can tell you what I picked up from the Wisnewski book.
On 1.c4 Nc6 2.Nc3 he dislikes 2...Nf6, saying that after 3.e4 e5 white is better because black has blocked the f-pawn and white hasn't. Still, I think that's playable. His repertoire is based on 1.c4 Nc6 2.Nc3 e5 followed by Nf6. There are some gaps, but chesspub plugs those admirably.

He also advocates 1.c4 Nc6 2.g3 d5!? Quite nice, since it is very similar to 1.Nc3 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.d4 as discussed in Keilhack's book. The basic plan is 1.c4 Nc6 2.g3 d5 3.cxd5 Qxd5 4.Nf3 Nf6 followed by Qh5 and Bh3. If white plays Bg2?! - Bxh3, there are even identical positions to those in Keilhack, as white loses a tempo. 

Hopefully others can say something about Mestrovic' creative lines.
  
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English 1 c4 Nc6!? -- the options
03/08/08 at 14:11:01
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As a Nimzo and Tango player, I’m looking for some advice relating to the possibilities after 1 c4 Nc6. What do people thing is the best source of info on these? To my shame, I don’t yet possess Christoph Wisnewski’s recent book, but that can only be a matter of time! I’m especially interested in more unusual (but sound) lines, and/or lines with 2 …Nf6 against 2 Nc3 (just ’cos the chances of a Tango are upped!).

A look at the games of Nimzo specialist Mestrovic reveals some interesting options here. He has often answered 2 Nc3 or 2 g3 with 2 …d6, meeting 2 Nc3 d6 3 g3 with either 3 …e5 or 3 …Bd7!?. In the first case he plays 4 Bg2 Be6!?, the so-called Troeger Defence which the old ChessPub ECO search tool (remember that?) gives under A21 though it’s normally classed as A25. This isn’t very well thought of, though after 5 d3 (5 d4 e5!?) Mestrovic has tried 5 …Qc8 as well as the standard 5 …Qd7. Has he some new ideas I wonder, or is the assessment unreliable, or is he just improvising?

The 3 …Bd7!? line has related ideas, in that 4 Bg2 can be met by 4 …Qc8 (A10), though Mestrovic has also played 4 …Nf6 quite a bit (the move orders vary), playing …Qc8 only after 5 Nf3 (alternatively 5 d4 e5!?, or 5 Rb1 g6!?). A quick bash with the silicon suggests this is at least playable and may be OK, but I can’t find any theory on it. (5 Nf3 Qc8 and 5 d4 e5 appear to be A16, and 5 Rb1 g6 A10.)

There are other less usual tries, of course. On 1 c4 Nc6 2 g3 there’s 2 …d5!? (also 2 …e6 3 Bg2 d5), while Mestrovic has even tried 2 …Ne5!? (and got away with it). Finally, 2 g3 d6 3 Nc3 g5!? has even been seen, once. I should say, I’m not unwilling to go in for standard …e5 lines if the other choices are inferior - I’m just interested in exploring all the options.
  
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